Carol Brass CTR-8880H-GST-Bb-L VS Vincnet bach 37?

BertKremer

What are the differences and similairities between these modell's?
I do have a older 37 Bach but the sound is to straight in my opinion.
and I thinking to buy the CarolBrass.
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delano · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:47 am Post subject:

So you have the anniversary Yamaha, an older 37 Bach (the good ones) and you want to sell the Yamaha and want to buy a Carol Brass?
Why? What's wrong with your horns or what are you trying to achieve?
And I don't understand what you mean with a too "straight sound".

BertKremer · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:17 pm Post subject:

The Bach horn belongs to the cumunity-band in which I'm playing.
It play's realy good but in my hands the sound is to rough. The sound of the Yamaha is very sweet; I like it very much. The Yamaha is Gold-brass horn and the Bach a yellow-brass one, which makes the difference I think.
I'm looking for a more classical sound.
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Stomvi Titï¿½n Bb 170 Flugelhorn Brass Band Edition
Curry 1.5 FLD-B mouthpiece
Van Laar Bb Trumpet
Curry 1.25 FL mouthpiece mouthpiece
CarolBrass Bb Cornet 3850 GLS
Curry 1.25 BBC

desmo · Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:07 pm Post subject:

matthes93401 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 641

In my experience, the only Bach trumpets that play better than the CarolBrass are the Bach Artisan line. For me, $3300 vs. $1500 isn't worth it for marginally better.

In CarolBrass numbering, the models CTR-xxxH-xxx with the standard leadpipe, double brace, and ML bore will player tighter and brassier than a Bach Strad. The CTR-xxxL-xxx with the reverse leadpipe, single brace, ML bore will feel and sound more like the Bach Strad. or Yamaha Xeno. The valve ports are aligned from the factory, and the instruments are generally much better in tune with themselves.

Years ago, I owned a Yamaha Mike Vax trumpet with the gold brass bell. I've also tried a CarolBrass with a gold brass bell, and they sounded entirely different.

I suggest you talk with one of the CarolBrass dealers who participate in this forum to find a setup that suits you, and I highly recommend the sterling leadpipe. Don't rule out a cornet instead of a trumpet either.

brianj · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 239

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BGinNJ · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 380

^ +1 to matthes comments. My old Strad is a better classical horn than my Carol, but only because the Carol is a lightweight lead horn. If money was no object, I'd buy an Artisan, but it's not twice as good for twice the money. It's like a really good Strad.

A Bach Strad will hold it's value, though, and someone will always want one. If you like to change horns, that may make one a better deal. Buy a vintage one, and you'll probably sell it for the same money. Buy a new Carol for the same price, you might have trouble with resale value. But that's not a good reason to pick a horn.

Jay2015trumpet · Regular Member Joined: 29 May 2015 Posts: 74

I tried a couple of Carol Brass horns at NTC this year, a 7660 GSL and something else, I think a 5000 series horn. Nice horns, but very lightweight compared to a standard Bach 37 or even most Yamahas. They may not give the depth of sound you're looking for. Try recording yourself from a distance with different models.

BertKremer · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:54 am Post subject:

I've never had a good feeling in playing a Bach 37, a couple Van Laar's and a Sonaré. So far the Yamaha 850GS was the best trumpet for me the last years. Due to the light-weight? The best memories a have on the Schilke trumpet's (Bb and C) I owned 30 years ago and they were light-weight.
But they are to expensive for me, therefore I think I try a new trade-mark:Carolbrass.
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Stomvi Titï¿½n Bb 170 Flugelhorn Brass Band Edition
Curry 1.5 FLD-B mouthpiece
Van Laar Bb Trumpet
Curry 1.25 FL mouthpiece mouthpiece
CarolBrass Bb Cornet 3850 GLS
Curry 1.25 BBC

BertKremer · Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:57 am Post subject:

Today I had the chance to compare both trumpets; and I prefer the CarolBrass the most. Because of the sound was much warmer and with a rich colour which I was missing with the Bach.

Brent · Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: Carols

I believe the Carol model that is their Bach 37 might be the 5060H.

I picked up a like new one on Ebay for $780, with the scratch lacquer bell. I'm kind of shocked how much I like it: it plays as well as any Bach 37 I've played. The fit and finish is flawless, and the valves are on par with Getzen. I know sterling silver lead pipes have gotten mixed review here, but it sure seems to work on this. The one thing concerns me is what I've heard about their finishes. Like Jupiter horns, they seem to wear quickly. We'll see.

If you're looking for a Bach 37-like horn, it's worth consideration.
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12ekul · New Member Joined: 12 Feb 2016 Posts: 7

Carol brass makes amazing horns (and IMHO their valves are far better than Bach valves!)
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blbaumgarn · Heavyweight Member Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 705

This is the umpteenth string I have read since joining trumpet herald where people (politely) try to body slam people for not buying Bach or Yamaha. There are always the apologists who say with your Bach, (a good one), or did you find a (good one.) For what a Bach has always cost, and I go back 58 years playing they have always been on the high end. I dearly loved my Benge 5 and every Schilke I ever played but Bach from horn to horn was never the same. So, what could be wrong with trying Carol Brass? I am a big believer in Yamaha because of their quality control. Schilke is still a handmaker of horns. People are correct saying that Bach will always hold its value. But, the kudos for the Korean horns keep floating in. I may buy a 5000 level CarolBrass just to see if I can find one with that Benge (starship enterprise) quality of sound, openness and projection.
I don't want to tryout 8-10 horns as I have had recommended to me before I started again to find that (good Bach) to be right.

HaveTrumpetWillTravel · Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:36 am Post subject:

I bought a near-mint 506 and really like it. I'm a little nervous about the finish, because one valve button is already losing silver and the mouthpiece it came with has lost a lot of silver. Ironically, I've also seen several used bachs selling locally (a 180, an Artisan, and a 239 C) and they all have major silver loss, so it's probably just this environment.

I think of course for the true pros you try to go and try 50 different instruments with another player and pick the best. From most of us, any instrument will sound about the same. Someone should do a blind study where they compared good high school players and see how much difference the instrument makes.

chuck in ny · Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:22 pm Post subject:

this may or may not be a cogent observation.
the carol model you cited is in gold brass? i personally stay with the normal 70/30 alloy. gold brass plays sweet but has a sort of monotone (?) quality and loses some of its sparkle and life. the carol brass cornet i have is like that, great sound but leaves me wishing for something with more sparkle.
many are very happy with gold and red brass and copper construction. i am unwilling to stray from standard brass.