Which new Bach models do you recommend right now?

jadickson · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:20 pm Post subject:

I had the same experience recently. A local music shop had an annual event with a table full of new trumpets to try. Every Bach played differently, even if they were the same model. Only one played particularly well for me, a silver Artisan. The one 190-37 was better than the standard models.

They had a few Xenos, and those all played differently too.
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MrOlds · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject:

I’ve been playing a NY 7/7 for a few years. It might be the last Bb I ever buy.

I’ve also recently played the 37 and 43 in the 190 series, the Artisan and a vanilla 180S37. All were different from each other as you’d expect from different designs, but all were very good.

Depending on what kind of music you play there should be something in there that fits you.

RussellDDixon · Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject:

Recently tried out a ML Commercial and a L Commercial and I did not like either one of them. I liked the NY 7; however, not better than (eventually buying) a Schilke X3
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Seymor B Fudd · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:29 am Post subject:

thegflo81 · New Member Joined: 13 Mar 2018 Posts: 7

I second the NY 7 positivity. Also, I'm curious if they are making new Bb 25 bell Large bore horns...

Rompson · Regular Member Joined: 04 May 2013 Posts: 86

I played a Bach Commercial trumpet trumpet for a little while recently. I got the impression that it was a very good horn, but very focused on one particular sound/style of playing, and while im sure it could play other styles, it would not be my first choice. The slotting was slippery, and the sound seemed very focused on the high harmonics. Still, it seemed really good at what it was designed to do.

On the other hand, I played a Bach 19043B "Mariachi" recently and thought it had a huge sound and an incredible feeling with my "commercial" mouthpiece. I thought it would also be great on the classical side as well, but when I went back to try it out, someone had already bought it! I wasn't surprised, it was great.

I really like the Artisan Bb as well, but honestly all of the 190 series trumpets are great in their own way. A friend of mine, who owns Bach trumpets from every era, thinks that the new ones are just as good as they ever were.

TrumpetMadness · Regular Member Joined: 14 Sep 2012 Posts: 36

The best new Bach model I have ever played is a Yamaha 9445NYSII C trumpet.

LittleRusty · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:56 am Post subject:

Andy Del · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:49 am Post subject:

The differences are still there, as I have in the past year had 5 students buy or obtain new Bachs.

Two model 72* are rather nice, one much more so than the other.
Two Bach artisan Bb's, which seem to play OK, one is definitely tight, however. An Artisan D/Eb with tuning bell. Hmmm... tight and nasty. Compared to my various Eb's.
An Artisan C - yuk. Honestly, I can only describe it as faulty.

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shofarguy · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:17 am Post subject:

I don't play a lot of Bachs...

But, when I do, I like the NY 7/7 and the Commercial ML. I like these two trumpets, because they have distinct personalities that aren't trying to blend in or be everything to every player.

The 7/7 is the biggest sounding and playing Bach I've tried. Deep, rich, grand. To be honest, it's a bit like playing a littler Wild Thing.

I've tried one each Commercial. The ML I tried was terrific! Rich, brilliant, commanding, assertive. The L bore was not happy with itself for some reason. I have read that some others had the opposite experience with the two versions.

I've played a really good 180/37 from the early 70s. It was "one of the good ones." I liked it. I felt like I could play it anywhere. It had the sense that it could tell some good war stories, as it were. It had aged well. It just didn't light my fire.
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I'm NOT a Bach player by ANY means. I graduated college in 1970 having played a Bach 43 bell for 4 years and within 2 months of graduating I was on a Schilke and never looked back! I basically was all in for Schilkes with a few Benges, Calicchios, Yamahas and, most recently, Adams horns thrown in.

Since I'm getting older and my playing has been going in another directions I felt my needs for a different horn with different playing characteristics was warranted. On a lark...and maybe even a hunch...I tried some Bach trumpets...a 43 bell regular weight, a 43 bell lightweight and a 72 bell lightweight and all of them were lacquered as this is my preference if I have a choice. I really had every intention, even before I received them, that I was probably barking up the wrong tree and I would be returning all of them within a couple of days of the trial period. Boy was I surprised!!!!

One horn was definitely a "no"...one was a "maybe"...until I tried the 3rd horn! This particular instrument was one of the best horns I've ever played much less the best Bach. It was VERY even bottom to top...intonation was impeccable...upper register was incredible since most of my career that's where I played the most...articulation/response was quick and clean...and the low register just barked! I've found over my career, and probably having owned 200-250 trumpets later, that 99% of the time if the low register is open and responds well the upper register will be that way also. When I was younger I would go to Giardinelli's in NYC...try 20-30 horns...blow my brains out playing nothing but the upper register...and just wear myself out to the point I had no idea which horn played like what!!! It wasn't until a great trumpet player that I worked with alot, Danny Stiles, actually reversed my way of thing on how to try out a trumpet and he turned me on to this low register= high register type of thinking...and it has worked!

OK...so the winner was....the Bach Lightweight 72 Bell!!!

One other plus with this horn is that it is VERY comfortable to hold which to ME is very important. It's quite lite and is BALANCED in my hands unlike alot of Bach's that I've played that always felt bell-heavy.Great horn...got it for a GREAT price...nice case...and I couldn't be more happy with it! Don't be as stubborn as I have been over the past 48 years! If you have been opposed to a certain brand for a long while try the newer version of them and you just might be as surprised as I was!! BTW...regarding the other 2 horns I tried...the 43 bell reg weight I did NOT like...the 43 bell lightweight was passable...but the 72 bell lightweight was obviously outstanding!!

Hope this helps!!

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EdMann · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:40 am Post subject:

I hear ya! Got a call from a friend two days ago, a well-traveled jazz player who gravitated toward outstanding lead playing, studied with John Madrid, Uan Rasey and others. He'd been a Schilke person forever, B6, B7, liked a medium bore horn but with the reverse pipe that inspired the Committee, the Yamaha Shew's, etc. He ventured into a shop near Los Angeles and played a selection of Yammies and Bachs, and calls me, frantically, "I found it!" I said, "what, were you lost in the parking lot again?" "No, not my car, my new horn. A lightweight 72. A new one!" This nearly lifelong Schilke player is going Bach-ers!

I'm off to try it later this week. Wonder if he'll share it with me??

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rockford · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:29 am Post subject:

All of the current Bach offerings offer something slightly, or even significantly different. Finding one the suits your personal conception of sound without a bunch of manipulation and one that is not so large that you sound great for a few minutes and then are worn out is really the key. Too small can be constricting. Things are standard because they work best for most players. I personally play a 1957 ML 37 Bb and Artisan C because they sound good and don't require a great deal of unnecessary effort to play. Finding one that allows you to play without getting in the way is a good way to think about it.
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BGinNJ · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 380

I had a late 70's 37 since new, so I was interested in the Artisan. I tried one, it played like a really good Strad. A guy who worked at Sam Ash told me he'd tried 4 of them before he found one he liked, and some came in with poor workmanship (but that was probably 5+ years ago). I've also tried the Commercial, liked it, but I'd want to A/B it with an Artisan and a NY7 if I was serious about buying one. I can't see spending that much for a new one, though. They're good horns, but not $1-2k better than others.

AJCarter · Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: