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Swiggle20 New Member
Joined: 04 Apr 2018 Posts: 5 Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:30 pm Post subject: 5B |
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Seeing If this too is a beginner mouthpiece? |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 am Post subject: |
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No such thing as a "beginner mouthpiece". You play what fits your face and fits your horn. The reason band directors mandate (wrongly, in my opinion) a certain size is because it's dead average and cheap. So you get students with 3C or 5C or 7C by Bach when a 10-1/2C Bach or 11 Schilke might work a lot better.
Not enough band directors are trumpet players who get it.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1 |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:41 am Post subject: |
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How old is your beginner? How big is your beginner?
If your beginner is young and slight, I might shy away from Bach B cups (because of the larger backbore). |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Shameless. Post count = Marketplace. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 1518 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:07 am Post subject: |
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VetPsychWars wrote: | No such thing as a "beginner mouthpiece". You play what fits your face and fits your horn. The reason band directors mandate (wrongly, in my opinion) a certain size is because it's dead average and cheap. So you get students with 3C or 5C or 7C by Bach when a 10-1/2C Bach or 11 Schilke might work a lot better.
Not enough band directors are trumpet players who get it.
Tom |
I think another reason for so many students starting on the 7C is that it is a known parameter value. It eliminates one question mark in the setup. Teachers can know the effect it will have on the playing since it is so commonly used. Also, it has a good grip on the chops. I've got two young daughters I'm teaching, and they are both doing fine with 7C's. I'd use one myself but I prefer the 6 because it doesn't clamp down on my lips so much. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:22 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Shameless. Post count = Marketplace. |
= no one will buy anything from him. |
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bnsd Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm suspecting there will be some mouthpieces for sale in marketplace soon... call it a premonition |
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Why can't there be a verified user or higher post count requirement to post to the marketplace? I've seen way too many shitposts just to get the necessary 5 in. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
Bb: Yamaha 8310Z
C: Shires 4S/W1B
Piccolo: Yamaha 9830
Flugel: Yamaha 8315G
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:34 am Post subject: |
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jhahntpt wrote: | Why can't there be a verified user or higher post count requirement to post to the marketplace? I've seen way too many shitposts just to get the necessary 5 in. |
Stubbornness? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Benge 3X Trumpet
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:34 am Post subject: |
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jhahntpt wrote: | Why can't there be a verified user or higher post count requirement to post to the marketplace? I've seen way too many shitposts just to get the necessary 5 in. |
Yeah, exactly...
Obviously the forum software is a bit "old" to support something like a reputation function or needing a certain number of likes... but it could be atleast 50 or 100 or something like that to reduce the number of pointless threads.
To a point, these threads *might* be useful to someone searching google in future... if the answers are any good... and if it's not a question that's been answered hundreds of times before...
Hmmm.... |
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 676 Location: Southington CT
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:44 am Post subject: |
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TKSop wrote: |
Yeah, exactly...
Obviously the forum software is a bit "old" to support something like a reputation function or needing a certain number of likes... but it could be atleast 50 or 100 or something like that to reduce the number of pointless threads.
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You’re not wrong about old...I’ve been using this forum for around 10 years and I cannot remember any meaningful changes. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
Bb: Yamaha 8310Z
C: Shires 4S/W1B
Piccolo: Yamaha 9830
Flugel: Yamaha 8315G
Cornet: York Eminence |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 364 Location: Houston & Austin, Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Slightly off topic but,
The Stork Vacchiano line is essentially variations on the Bach 5B with the 4 size having the most true to origin rim. Also I think the Curry BC cup is based on the popular Bach 1.5C rim with 5B underpart and a 24 throat custom setup. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I'd argue the 5B is a better mouthpiece on the cornet than the trumpet, in that it gets more of a classic cornet sound than most commonly used trumpet pieces do when mounted on a cornet shank. That said, it can sound really nice for either, provided the rim works for you. A lot of people don't get along with it. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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bnsd Veteran Member
Joined: 17 Jun 2014 Posts: 126
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: |
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regarding a higher minimum post requirement... all we would get is more inane posts from people trying to get to the new minimum
I think some vetting from current members is more appropriate that any forum revisions needed. I see a guy selling a committee for $1000 and he has 5 posts, I'm calling BS, and not taking the time.
Just because somebody joined TH JUST to sell something is not necessarily a bad reason to join
Caveat Emptor or however that goes |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 843 Location: Waikiki, Hawaii
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I think a probationary period of membership longer than six months would help. I agree that a higher post count will only make things more painful. Also, veteran members have been complaining for a long time about this and nothing has been done. _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe we do away with minimum posts/minimum membership etc., and just do our own personal vetting. That way, we don't have to deal with reading inane posts.
For example, before I buy from or sell to someone, I read their posts. If they don't have very many or they're not contributing anything worthwhile, I don't deal with them.
If we all do that, newbies will likely get the idea that they really have to be contributing members to get other members to work with them.
Anyway, just my $.02 |
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yakbass Regular Member
Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Posts: 12 Location: SE New England
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:21 am Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | I'd argue the 5B is a better mouthpiece on the cornet than the trumpet, in that it gets more of a classic cornet sound than most commonly used trumpet pieces do when mounted on a cornet shank. That said, it can sound really nice for either, provided the rim works for you. A lot of people don't get along with it. |
I found that using a Bach 5B cornet mouthpiece made my horn sound like a bad trumpet. My Yamaha YCR6335H has a mouthpiece receptacle that kept the 5B from seating to the same depth as the Yamaha mouthpieces do. Don't know if that is why the horn sounded so poor, but the OEM mouthpiece really brought out the cornet sound. And at the time I was using a Bach 5B on my Bb trumpet.
Easy to see how hunting for the "perfect" mouthpiece can turn into a lifelong obsession.
YMMV |
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Blue Trane Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Dec 2009 Posts: 669 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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O00Joe wrote: | Slightly off topic but,
The Stork Vacchiano line is essentially variations on the Bach 5B with the 4 size having the most true to origin rim. Also I think the Curry BC cup is based on the popular Bach 1.5C rim with 5B underpart and a 24 throat custom setup. |
The Curry BC was developed with and based upon Roger Zacks' 1C rim/1B underpart. |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 364 Location: Houston & Austin, Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Blue Trane wrote: | O00Joe wrote: | Slightly off topic but,
The Stork Vacchiano line is essentially variations on the Bach 5B with the 4 size having the most true to origin rim. Also I think the Curry BC cup is based on the popular Bach 1.5C rim with 5B underpart and a 24 throat custom setup. |
The Curry BC was developed with and based upon Roger Zacks' 1C rim/1B underpart. |
Ah, thank you. Good to know! _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68 |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Do people know what "enabling" is and how doing it just encourages more of the same? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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