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Swiggle20
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: 5B Reply with quote

Seeing If this too is a beginner mouthpiece?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No such thing as a "beginner mouthpiece". You play what fits your face and fits your horn. The reason band directors mandate (wrongly, in my opinion) a certain size is because it's dead average and cheap. So you get students with 3C or 5C or 7C by Bach when a 10-1/2C Bach or 11 Schilke might work a lot better.

Not enough band directors are trumpet players who get it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How old is your beginner? How big is your beginner?
If your beginner is young and slight, I might shy away from Bach B cups (because of the larger backbore).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shameless. Post count = Marketplace.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VetPsychWars wrote:
No such thing as a "beginner mouthpiece". You play what fits your face and fits your horn. The reason band directors mandate (wrongly, in my opinion) a certain size is because it's dead average and cheap. So you get students with 3C or 5C or 7C by Bach when a 10-1/2C Bach or 11 Schilke might work a lot better.

Not enough band directors are trumpet players who get it.

Tom


I think another reason for so many students starting on the 7C is that it is a known parameter value. It eliminates one question mark in the setup. Teachers can know the effect it will have on the playing since it is so commonly used. Also, it has a good grip on the chops. I've got two young daughters I'm teaching, and they are both doing fine with 7C's. I'd use one myself but I prefer the 6 because it doesn't clamp down on my lips so much.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
Shameless. Post count = Marketplace.


= no one will buy anything from him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm suspecting there will be some mouthpieces for sale in marketplace soon... call it a premonition
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't there be a verified user or higher post count requirement to post to the marketplace? I've seen way too many shitposts just to get the necessary 5 in.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhahntpt wrote:
Why can't there be a verified user or higher post count requirement to post to the marketplace? I've seen way too many shitposts just to get the necessary 5 in.

Stubbornness?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhahntpt wrote:
Why can't there be a verified user or higher post count requirement to post to the marketplace? I've seen way too many shitposts just to get the necessary 5 in.


Yeah, exactly...

Obviously the forum software is a bit "old" to support something like a reputation function or needing a certain number of likes... but it could be atleast 50 or 100 or something like that to reduce the number of pointless threads.

To a point, these threads *might* be useful to someone searching google in future... if the answers are any good... and if it's not a question that's been answered hundreds of times before...

Hmmm....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TKSop wrote:


Yeah, exactly...

Obviously the forum software is a bit "old" to support something like a reputation function or needing a certain number of likes... but it could be atleast 50 or 100 or something like that to reduce the number of pointless threads.
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You’re not wrong about old...I’ve been using this forum for around 10 years and I cannot remember any meaningful changes.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic but,

The Stork Vacchiano line is essentially variations on the Bach 5B with the 4 size having the most true to origin rim. Also I think the Curry BC cup is based on the popular Bach 1.5C rim with 5B underpart and a 24 throat custom setup.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd argue the 5B is a better mouthpiece on the cornet than the trumpet, in that it gets more of a classic cornet sound than most commonly used trumpet pieces do when mounted on a cornet shank. That said, it can sound really nice for either, provided the rim works for you. A lot of people don't get along with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

regarding a higher minimum post requirement... all we would get is more inane posts from people trying to get to the new minimum

I think some vetting from current members is more appropriate that any forum revisions needed. I see a guy selling a committee for $1000 and he has 5 posts, I'm calling BS, and not taking the time.

Just because somebody joined TH JUST to sell something is not necessarily a bad reason to join

Caveat Emptor or however that goes
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a probationary period of membership longer than six months would help. I agree that a higher post count will only make things more painful. Also, veteran members have been complaining for a long time about this and nothing has been done.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we do away with minimum posts/minimum membership etc., and just do our own personal vetting. That way, we don't have to deal with reading inane posts.

For example, before I buy from or sell to someone, I read their posts. If they don't have very many or they're not contributing anything worthwhile, I don't deal with them.

If we all do that, newbies will likely get the idea that they really have to be contributing members to get other members to work with them.

Anyway, just my $.02
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
I'd argue the 5B is a better mouthpiece on the cornet than the trumpet, in that it gets more of a classic cornet sound than most commonly used trumpet pieces do when mounted on a cornet shank. That said, it can sound really nice for either, provided the rim works for you. A lot of people don't get along with it.


I found that using a Bach 5B cornet mouthpiece made my horn sound like a bad trumpet. My Yamaha YCR6335H has a mouthpiece receptacle that kept the 5B from seating to the same depth as the Yamaha mouthpieces do. Don't know if that is why the horn sounded so poor, but the OEM mouthpiece really brought out the cornet sound. And at the time I was using a Bach 5B on my Bb trumpet.

Easy to see how hunting for the "perfect" mouthpiece can turn into a lifelong obsession.

YMMV
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O00Joe wrote:
Slightly off topic but,

The Stork Vacchiano line is essentially variations on the Bach 5B with the 4 size having the most true to origin rim. Also I think the Curry BC cup is based on the popular Bach 1.5C rim with 5B underpart and a 24 throat custom setup.


The Curry BC was developed with and based upon Roger Zacks' 1C rim/1B underpart.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Trane wrote:
O00Joe wrote:
Slightly off topic but,

The Stork Vacchiano line is essentially variations on the Bach 5B with the 4 size having the most true to origin rim. Also I think the Curry BC cup is based on the popular Bach 1.5C rim with 5B underpart and a 24 throat custom setup.


The Curry BC was developed with and based upon Roger Zacks' 1C rim/1B underpart.


Ah, thank you. Good to know!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do people know what "enabling" is and how doing it just encourages more of the same?
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