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bman94 Regular Member
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:25 pm Post subject: How are the OLDS Special Trumpets like? |
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I'm a middle school band director and my primary in college was Euphonium. I played Trumept for seven years (in conjunction to playing Euphonium Euphonium) before I defaulted to Euphonium only.
Now that I am out of college I'm looking to pick up Trumpet again just to practice at home. I have a few Trumpets that I own and two cornets but they are all student models.
There's a few OLDS Special Trumpets floating on eBay at reasonable prices. How are these horns? I have a OLDS Studio Model Euphonium that I love but I've never played one of their Trumpets. How is the upper register? Is it free-blowing? What's the tone like? Anything else I should know about these Trumpets before I jump? |
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Evinerate Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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For some reason, many sellers would call them a "jazz trumpet" or a trumpet great for jazz but I feel it's just a very solid and even playing instrument for many playing situations. As an Olds horn, they're very sturdily built. They do vary though, through the different decades the design changed.
Pre WW2 Olds Specials are lightweight horns similar to the Olds Standard/"The Olds" but have the feel of the prewar Olds Supers.
WW2 Olds Specials from early 40s had recieverless lead pipes and were heavier than prewar versions. Mostly brass with slight touches of nickel silver on the slides.
Post WW2 Specials had a nice mix of brass and nickel silver.
Mid/Late Fullerton Specials had "tri-color" design, with their bells having different materials, nickel bell with red brass ect. These horns are great playing horns too but different than the past Olds Specials. They play darker too. Heavy horns.
Vintage trumpets are as good as the condition that you find them in but otherwise, I would say they do center nicely in pitch, have an interesting sound color. There are a lot of players who commit to the Olds Special as a main horn. I would say that they're great playing trumpets, not too pricey and they deliver as players, try to find a nice one that doesn't have worn valves or and leaking problems and you should be happy with one. |
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bman94 Regular Member
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Evinerate wrote: | For some reason, many sellers would call them a "jazz trumpet" or a trumpet great for jazz but I feel it's just a very solid and even playing instrument for many playing situations. As an Olds horn, they're very sturdily built. They do vary though, through the different decades the design changed.
Pre WW2 Olds Specials are lightweight horns similar to the Olds Standard/"The Olds" but have the feel of the prewar Olds Supers.
WW2 Olds Specials from early 40s had recieverless lead pipes and were heavier than prewar versions. Mostly brass with slight touches of nickel silver on the slides.
Post WW2 Specials had a nice mix of brass and nickel silver.
Mid/Late Fullerton Specials had "tri-color" design, with their bells having different materials, nickel bell with red brass ect. These horns are great playing horns too but different than the past Olds Specials. They play darker too. Heavy horns.
Vintage trumpets are as good as the condition that you find them in but otherwise, I would say they do center nicely in pitch, have an interesting sound color. There are a lot of players who commit to the Olds Special as a main horn. I would say that they're great playing trumpets, not too pricey and they deliver as players, try to find a nice one that doesn't have worn valves or and leaking problems and you should be happy with one. |
Two of them is a restored Special from 1963. I prefer heavier horns overall. In high school I loved playing on the school's Bach Strad. Another one is a Fullerton era one. There's also a Olds Special Cornet from 1956. Price ranges are all in the $500 range. These are all professional model horns right? |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 1518 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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I've had two from the year 1955, and still have the second one. It's a great horn. The nickel upper valve casings cause the horn to feel the valve strokes "harder". But I believe the reason for the nickel casings is to enhance bell vibration due to the hardness of nickel. Some say it is the same as a Super, but with less doodads. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1531 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:31 pm Post subject: Olds Specials |
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Hello all,
My dad purchased his Olds Special used in 48 or 49. It was only a year or so old at the time, and it is one of the receiverless horns with the newer slide tube bracing. It really plays well. Only in the last 10 years have the valves shown any wear. Back up a few years...He gave it to me to play in beginning band and I played it into my sophomore year in high school. I continued to play it in college marching band and then played it off and on through the last 30 or so years. I also picked up a matching cornet with the receiverless leadpipe this last year. Mine is a great horn. I have not played any newer, though there are a number of kids I know that play early 50's Ambassadors for lead horns... _________________ Christian K. Peters
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 4:41 am Post subject: |
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jetjaguar wrote: | I've had two from the year 1955, and still have the second one. It's a great horn. The nickel upper valve casings cause the horn to feel the valve strokes "harder". But I believe the reason for the nickel casings is to enhance bell vibration due to the hardness of nickel. Some say it is the same as a Super, but with less doodads. |
Nickel silver, a brass alloy. It is harder than brass, though.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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taylordiving Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've owned two Specials, mainly for the same reason that you may be asking which is that they are fairly priced and are well built horns. My first one was a late 50's Fullerton model, before they went to the tri-color design. It was a good horn but nothing particularly outstanding and I didn't feel it was any better than the Ambassador nor Conn 22B that I had at the time. My second one was one of the post WWII receirverless leadpipe models and it was as open and free blowing as you'd want, a truly "special" horn. I ended up selling it but is the only horn I've ever had pangs of regret about letting go. Thus, my advice (for what it's worth) is to find one of those post war models and see what you think as I don't believe you'll be disappointed. |
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