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Tivolian
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:52 am    Post subject: Caruso and endurance Reply with quote

Howdy folks. I'm a comeback player about two years in after a 40+ year layoff. It's been challenging but also rewarding. I started doing the first few exercises in the Caruso book twice a day in February, and at long last might be seeing slow but steady progress in my achievable upper register. I'm not noticing as much progress in my endurance, though. I was hoping to get peoples' thoughts about the use of Caruso exercises for building stamina, and if there are any suggestions as to how to speed up progress a bit. Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience with the Caruso method is that it’s more about coordination, balance and timing. Endurance is a result of playing in balance for longer periods. There is some muscle tone involved but it’s not the primary factor.

Others may differ.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how it works for me as well. My general sense is that many people become overly focused on building muscles when doing Caruso. Subdivide so that you develop the coordination needed to play. I can work out so that I'm strong enough to carry a heavy rock up a steep hill, but it's much easier just to drive it up in my car.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Follow the Four Rules. Read and reread the Getting Started threads. Caruso calisthenic practice creates balance and efficiency. Eventually, this results in endurance, range, flexibility, beautiful tone, etc. The first benefits I found were in cleanliness of execution and flexibility. Everyone has different results. Done properly (as discussed in Getting Started), I have not found anyone who did not improve their total playing situation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so these responses are helpful. I do my best to follow the instructions to a tee, but at least two of the four rules pertain only to the Caruso exercises and not to other playing -- breathing through the nose and keeping mpc on lips when breathing. I have trouble transferring all techniques to regular playing. The steady blow and coordination of rhythm are transferable. So, it's like I'm developing the muscles to pick up the boulder and put it in the car, but then can drive only a few yards before it falls out and has to be put back in again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tivolian wrote:
Okay, so these responses are helpful. I do my best to follow the instructions to a tee, but at least two of the four rules pertain only to the Caruso exercises and not to other playing -- breathing through the nose and keeping mpc on lips when breathing. I have trouble transferring all techniques to regular playing. The steady blow and coordination of rhythm are transferable. So, it's like I'm developing the muscles to pick up the boulder and put it in the car, but then can drive only a few yards before it falls out and has to be put back in again.


This is a matter of training. Do not try to consciously transfer anything you do during calisthenic practice to when you are playing music. This is an indirect approach. Do the calisthenics. Take a short break. Then go play music, and think only about the music. The benefits transfer to your playing naturally and incidentally. If an athlete goes to the gym, or goes for a run, or whatever they do to train, they trust this to improve their efficiency when playing their sport without consciously thinking about how their body is working.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that the Four Rules don't apply to playing in a musical situation. Don't do nose breaths, breath attacks, etc. when playing music. these procedures are only for the calisthenic practice portion of your playing day.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: Caruso and endurance Reply with quote

Tivolian wrote:
Howdy folks. ...... I started doing the first few exercises in the Caruso book twice a day in February, and at long last might be seeing slow but steady progress in my achievable upper register. I'm not noticing as much progress in my endurance, though........Thanks in advance.
--Tivolian


The Caruso book has a progressive daily routine that adds exercises. While coordinating the face and the brain results in better playing in all ranges, the side effect is increased endurance. But a few will not translate as well as the entire routine.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tivolian wrote:
Howdy folks. I'm a comeback player about two years in after a 40+ year layoff. It's been challenging but also rewarding. I started doing the first few exercises in the Caruso book twice a day in February, and at long last might be seeing slow but steady progress in my achievable upper register. I'm not noticing as much progress in my endurance, though. I was hoping to get peoples' thoughts about the use of Caruso exercises for building stamina, and if there are any suggestions as to how to speed up progress a bit. Thanks in advance.
--Tivolian



In my experience with these exercises, you'll find the most benefit when you have, at the very least, one session of Caruso/technical practice and another session working on music. The best way to gain endurance is putting in the actual time playing the horn. Your body will learn how to incorporate the calisthenic training subconsciously as you carry on with your daily playing commitments. While Caruso is strenuous, the routine averages around 20 minutes. I know what happens when I show up to a three hour show/gig having only practiced 20 minutes the days leading up... For me, these exercises really do their job when your practice routine is balanced – and balance is what Caruso is all about!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Caruso and endurance Reply with quote

I am a trombonist and studied with Carmine in the early 70's before moving to Europe. I read earlier in this forum that perhaps it was different for trombonists and other larger/lower brass instruments but Carmine told me - and I did therefore, you can play all day as long as you contrast what you are working on. Playing high? Make the next material low register (and vice-versa, of course. Articulated things, play legato things. He gave me the 6 Notes as BTB in the normal register. I do the notes in 5 octaves now and then take the mp off for a minute or so and then play the six note rhythmic pattern on a Bb scale beginning on High Bb (Trumpet C) up to Bb an octave higher. Carmine said the normal range of a brass instrument is 5 octaves but can sometimes be more as well.

In my experience, the Caruso studies help one develop very fine endurance - but it all comes from developing breath control and that reverts to the 4 rules and consistent practicing. As I get older (73 now), I have less breath - but I can still keep a steady blow which seems to be the engine that makes range, intonation, etc work.

Many people say that you can't use the things from the
Caruso studies/6 notes in your 'normal' playing but my experience is that whenever playing continuously in the high register, making very delicate entrances (attacks) in both the high and low registers- I use a breath attack quite often. I found that the interval studies really help one to develop a "taste" of a note which one uses all the time to pick out entrances.

Carmine turned my life as a player around with his teaching and I am forever grateful. That he was a terrific person was a bonus. I always remember his comments that you never say that's wrong to a student because you take away their self-confidence, if you are a teacher, you need to devise an exercise which leads them to a better way of doing it.

Endurance will certainly come if you don't have it just yet.

Jim
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