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JetJaguar
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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 9:38 pm Post subject: The Committee is back in session? |
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This website appears to be of a new Martin company, headed by a descendant of the Martins, Richard, and is selling a Committee made by Kanstul. Sorry if someone mentioned it already but I didn't see anything here about it
https://www.martinbrasswind.com/sideline-banner-systems/
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jadickson
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| $4200-4400 for the new Committee. I just.... no. |
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OldKing
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Hey, if he can get that for it, more power to him. Good opening page/story. Having been involved in a family-owned business, with all its ups and downs, I can appreciate what they've been through as a family.
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shofarguy
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The horn is good.
If it's the same spec as Kanstul's 1603, it already plays as well as the mid-50s Martin Committee Deluxe I had for comparison during the Experience thread I published. If it has the tapered tuning slide crook, it's better than the vintage Martin, IMO. As for the price, it's the same as what Kanstul asks for the 1603, so that's fair. It is a truly hand-made to order instrument.
I wish him well.
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HERMOKIWI
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| jadickson wrote: | | $4200-4400 for the new Committee. I just.... no. |
Is that a lot for a trumpet? Yes it is. Is that a lot compared to the cost of other musical instruments? No it isn't. As musical instruments go trumpets are one of the least expensive instruments out there and, with good care, they last almost forever. Plus, if you qualify, you can claim depreciation and transfer some of the cost to your fellow taxpayers by reducing your own tax liability.
In terms of enjoyment vs. cost even the most expensive trumpet is the bargain of a lifetime.
More power to the new Committee. The horn looks beautiful and, no doubt, plays as great as the greatness of the player allows.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| HERMOKIWI wrote: | | jadickson wrote: | | $4200-4400 for the new Committee. I just.... no. |
Is that a lot for a trumpet? Yes it is. Is that a lot compared to the cost of other musical instruments? No it isn't. As musical instruments go trumpets are one of the least expensive instruments out there and, with good care, they last almost forever. Plus, if you qualify, you can claim depreciation and transfer some of the cost to your fellow taxpayers by reducing your own tax liability.
In terms of enjoyment vs. cost even the most expensive trumpet is the bargain of a lifetime.
More power to the new Committee. The horn looks beautiful and, no doubt, plays as great as the greatness of the player allows. |
Yeah, and some new super cars cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Which is just as relevant to the guy needing a good trumpet and doesn’t have a lot of money. |
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JetJaguar
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | HERMOKIWI wrote: | | jadickson wrote: | | $4200-4400 for the new Committee. I just.... no. |
Is that a lot for a trumpet? Yes it is. Is that a lot compared to the cost of other musical instruments? No it isn't. As musical instruments go trumpets are one of the least expensive instruments out there and, with good care, they last almost forever. Plus, if you qualify, you can claim depreciation and transfer some of the cost to your fellow taxpayers by reducing your own tax liability.
In terms of enjoyment vs. cost even the most expensive trumpet is the bargain of a lifetime.
More power to the new Committee. The horn looks beautiful and, no doubt, plays as great as the greatness of the player allows. |
Yeah, and some new super cars cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Which is just as relevant to the guy needing a good trumpet and doesn’t have a lot of money. |
which is where 22B's and Specials make their entrance
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I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
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Grits Burgh
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I'd pay that much for the horn in a heart beat...if I weren't married. 
Warm regards,
Grits
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JetJaguar
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Grits Burgh wrote: | I'd pay that much for the horn in a heart beat...if I weren't married.
Warm regards,
Grits |
THAT resonates around here almost as well as a Kanstul .
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Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel
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| Just curious what happened to the Martin trademark? Is it in the public domain? I feel like I saw another type of "new" Martin Committee on sale on ebay and that maybe Taylor or Adams also does a Committee-style trumpet. Did the descendent get access to the trademark or if it's now out of trademark can we expect more new trumpets branded by Committee by different companies? |
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steevo
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| HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | | Just curious what happened to the Martin trademark? |
It wasn't renewed. It's been dead since October 2013.
Word Mark MARTIN
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 015. US 036. G & S: SAXOPHONES, [ HORNS, CORNETS, ] TRUMPETS, TROMBONES, [ MELLOPHONES, FRENCH HORNS, ALTOS, BARITONES, ] BASSES [ , AND PARTS THEREOF AND CASES THEREFOR ]. FIRST USE: 19070000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19070000
Mark Drawing Code (5) WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS IN STYLIZED FORM
Serial Number 71546115
Filing Date January 3, 1948
Current Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Registration Number 0570067
Registration Date February 10, 1953
Owner (REGISTRANT) MARTIN BAND INSTRUMENT COMPANY, THE CORPORATION INDIANA ELKHART INDIANA
(LAST LISTED OWNER) CONN-SELMER, INC. CORPORATION DELAWARE 600 INDUSTRIAL PARKWAY ELKHART INDIANA 06515
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record Andrea E. Bates
Prior Registrations 0155060;0155061;0417583
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL-2(F)
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECTION 8(10-YR) 20040204.
Renewal 3RD RENEWAL 20040204
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date October 17, 2013 |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| That's very interesting--so the descendent may have opted to produce a new Martin but in theory anyone can produce Martin Committees. |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| And on reading the patent, it was Conn-Selmer's. Very surprised that they would allow it to lapse... |
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steevo
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| HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | | And on reading the patent, it was Conn-Selmer's. Very surprised that they would allow it to lapse... |
The Benge trademark is up for renewal in 2019. |
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shofarguy
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| steevo wrote: | | HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | | And on reading the patent, it was Conn-Selmer's. Very surprised that they would allow it to lapse... |
The Benge trademark is up for renewal in 2019. |
It needs to go to Michael Thomas or Kanstul.
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Archie Sawyer
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| If Kanstul worked so hard at trying to re-create the Martin committee, with their 1603 design, I guess I’m trying to figure out how this Kanstul made “New” Martin by Richard Martin, would be different or better from their current 1603 model? |
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Bigelow-Kid
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| My guess is it's the exact same horn but with the Martin logo. |
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EdMann
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: |
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My confusion lies in trying to compute the market. You have hundreds, perhaps more, of the original Martins around... hell, I found one in an antique store the size of my closet. You've got the Lawler C7, the Kanstul 1603, Shilke did a Martin design a while back, now this at a price point higher than the others. Maybe they did their homework, but this is such a specialty item with a narrow market. Good luck!
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lipshurt
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It seems like a solid business venture to me. Looks like the only expense is making a simple website, answering questions over the phone, take an order over the phone. Then email kanstul the go-ahead to put the martin name on a 1603. Drop ship to purchaser. So that is a one man super-part-time job with about 100 bucks overhead a year to maintain website. If he sells one horn a year he is swimming in profit. If i'm wrong forgive me please, and i very well may be wrong.
More power to him i say. Its just a angle at making money off name.
I did think however that the martin name was being used by an international company. The "Olds" name is also being used. I am assuming that Mr. Martin has gotten the brand back, or else it could be a can of worms.
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shofarguy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| lipshurt wrote: | It seems like a solid business venture to me. Looks like the only expense is making a simple website, answering questions over the phone, take an order over the phone. Then email kanstul the go-ahead to put the martin name on a 1603. Drop ship to purchaser. So that is a one man super-part-time job with about 100 bucks overhead a year to maintain website. If he sells one horn a year he is swimming in profit. If i'm wrong forgive me please, and i very well may be wrong.
More power to him i say. Its just a angle at making money off name.
I did think however that the martin name was being used by an international company. The "Olds" name is also being used. I am assuming that Mr. Martin has gotten the brand back, or else it could be a can of worms. |
I'm told he hired a lawyer to make the proper arrangements to use the Martin name.
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