Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:17 am Post subject: Monette oopsie :(
Asked to try a friends Monette and when he went to hand it to me it slipped through my fingers and fell. It got a fair dent on the rim. Fine and playable, but just not whole and new...I feel super bad about it so I want to do something to reimburse. Is it possible to fix this kind of damage? I’d even go as far as buying him a new one. Any other ideas for what I could do?
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:16 pm Post subject:
Hope Monette can help.
I had a similar issue with a friend's prized vintage Committee. I didn't drop it outright, but he has a hinky trumpet stand with detachable legs and if you weren't careful the legs would pull out. I didn't know this prior. Just my luck when I very carefully placed the horn on his stand, it immediately toppled over causing a crease in one of the tubes. Not a good feeling. I felt terrible but he wouldn't consider letting me pursue a repair. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart
Monette responded just saying that they don’t fix dents in the rim:/ Guess I am going to buy a replacement. It does mean I’ll get his old one though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:54 pm Post subject:
CJceltics33 wrote:
Monette responded just saying that they don’t fix dents in the rim:/ Guess I am going to buy a replacement. It does mean I’ll get his old one though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The backbores on Monettes are incredibly delicate, but the shop can oftentimes help return the shank end to their original tapers, preserving/restoring the pitch center of the mouthpiece. Unfortunately, the only remedy for a dented/nicked/scratched rim is buffing, which would eliminate plating in the spot in question, while simultaneously creating a small divot in the area of damage.
Monette has the highest quality control imaginable, and they simply won't waste your time attempting a repair on an irreversibly damaged piece of gear. I'm sorry this puts you in a rough position, but keep your eyes open for undamanged used pieces - what size and configuration is/was yr friend's piece?
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:48 pm Post subject:
For anyone else who thought CJceltics33 had unlimited wealth, it is a mouthpiece he's talking about. Not a whole trumpet. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:21 pm Post subject:
And thus the subforum in which he posted... Not that Monette mouthpieces are cheap! _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley
In general, it helps to try EXTRA hard to like stock mouthpieces. There's a quote I read in a book about the British S.A.S and it went something like: you better not get used to Gucci's because when wear out you'll be shipped a pair of army regular size 10's....
Will that dent change the way it is played? Will anyone buy it? How much should I sell it for and where?
Monette will tell you that the dent changes the way it plays and so will most people that play on Monette. I've played on Monette equipment for a long time and for the most part, use a repaired mouthpiece. It was dropped on a rug and the shank bent a little at the opening. I straightened it and kept using it. Maybe I'm not a good enough player to tell the difference.
Hard to say what it will sell for. If it were me, I would put it on ebay and take what I got; or just use it. _________________ Joe Spitzer
Monroe Ct.
In general, it helps to try EXTRA hard to like stock mouthpieces. There's a quote I read in a book about the British S.A.S and it went something like: you better not get used to Gucci's because when wear out you'll be shipped a pair of army regular size 10's....
If I could suggest - sell the dented Monette.
Bad advice IMO. You shouldn't try to settle for something just because it's cheap. If you can afford to play a Monette mouthpiece and like the way it sounds and plays then just do it. Life is too short to fuss over a few hundred dollars. If something improves your playing and gives you more enjoyment then by all means make the investment. That could be a $50 Bach, it could be a $365 Monette.
It's a piece of metal. It's not going to wear out for YEARS and if you play a Monette, GR, GW, Donat, or any other boutique mouthpiece to the point where it's worn out then it's more than justified the cost of a new one. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
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Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:03 am Post subject:
As I first read your first posts in this thread I thought you were talking about a Monette TRUMPET and I thought WOW what a good and generous person you are to be willing to buy your buddy a new $5000+ trumpet just because of one dent on the bell's rim (and why the heck wouldn't Monette be willing to straighten a little crease on a Bell rim or at worst, replace the bell?!?!).
The effect on playability depends on where the dent is and how bad. If its on the outside of the rim and is not deep or large you might be able to rotate to put it out of the way. I have dented some rims and I filled the dents with epoxy, buffed out the epoxy, and never looked back - its such a small part of the rim that its not really noticeable. So for your own use you could also consider that. Lastly you could get someone like Bob Reeves or Jim New to convert to a screw-rim and just put a new rim on it.
If its to sell I would just sell as-is in an eBay auction and let the market decide the value. _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
Lots of vintage trumpets and mouthpieces
The debt is on the outer rim. I don’t think it touches the lips. Hopefully it didn’t change anything...I think I am going to go ahead and order the B3S3 Resonance from anywhere that has it in stock, then I’ll take the old one and try it. If I still like it more than my Curry after a month, I’ll sell it and by a new one for myself 😃
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 am Post subject:
CJceltics33 wrote:
The debt is on the outer rim. I don’t think it touches the lips. Hopefully it didn’t change anything...I think I am going to go ahead and order the B3S3 Resonance from anywhere that has it in stock, then I’ll take the old one and try it. If I still like it more than my Curry after a month, I’ll sell it and by a new one for myself 😃
Shouldn't affect the playability in the slightest...although as someone else mentioned, that's likely not what the folks at Monette would tell you.
You're a solid friend for offering to pay for a new one. If you like it, keep it; if you don't, sell it, and you will probably recoup most of your $$$. One benefit of boutique mouthpieces, like camera lenses, is that they tend to hold resale value for quite a while. _________________ New Album "ensemble | in situ" on Bandcamp
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject:
If you like it, keep it and clock it so the damage is at 3 or 9 o'clock. That way it won't interfere at all. _________________ veery715
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