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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 1518 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:27 am Post subject: Getzen and Kanstul |
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So what does Getzen have that Kanstul doesn't have? _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Oh! Oh! Mr Kotter! I know!
Brett and Adam. |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Or are they just at different stages of similar histories? _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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Speed Veteran Member
Joined: 13 May 2015 Posts: 295 Location: Mississippi
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: |
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I've been in lots of music stores that do not stock Getzen, but I have never been in a music store that stocked Kanstul. I have owned mutiple Getzen instruments, but the closest thing I've owned to a Kanstul is a Callet Jazz. I've never actually laid eyes on a Kanstul instrument, while I've seen numerous Getzens up close and personal.
I have no facts to base this on, but my observation is that Getzen is more visible in the marketplace than Kanstul, but perhaps that's just in my part of the country (southeast).
Bottom line is that it appears that Getzen has done the "marketing thing" more successfully than Kanstul.
Take care,
Marc Speed
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 6187
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Smaller stores have been selling Kanstul stencils (esp. Besson). WWBW has been selling Kanstul-made Besson (until ca. 2009) and Kanstul. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | Oh! Oh! Mr Kotter! I know!
Brett and Adam. |
Ayyyyy, up yer nose witโ a rubber hose, Horshak.....๐
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2416 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Getzen and Kanstul |
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jetjaguar wrote: | So what does Getzen have that Kanstul doesn't have? | I've owned several Getzen horns, and currently own a flugelhorn, piccolo, and field trumpet. I've played some Kanstul horns, but never owned one. They're both great companies.
In recent years, Getzen has simplified its offerings. Within the last 5 years, they stopped selling tubas and french horns, and now only sell one baritone horn. They also released two new Eterna models. I think this is a good thing ... focus on trumpets, cornets, flugelhorns, and trombones, and focus on the Eterna.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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redundant
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Getzen and Kanstul |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | jetjaguar wrote: | So what does Getzen have that Kanstul doesn't have? | I've owned several Getzen horns, and currently own a flugelhorn, piccolo, and field trumpet. I've played some Kanstul horns, but never owned one. They're both great companies.
In recent years, Getzen has simplified its offerings. Within the last 5 years, they stopped selling tubas and french horns, and now only sell one baritone horn. They also released two new Eterna models. I think this is a good thing ... focus on trumpets, cornets, flugelhorns, and trombones, and focus on the Eterna.
Mike |
I own both Getzen and Kanstul |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Getzen and Kanstul |
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jetjaguar wrote: | So what does Getzen have that Kanstul doesn't have? |
A functioning business. |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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1) renewed energy in a derivative generation as opposed to 1.5 in 3.
2) a focused image in terms of product segment
3) awareness and compliance to the demands of current cultural communication norms (skilled marketing)
4) a specific "sound" (shrill) as opposed to jack-of-all-genres
5) a boring, ok, less diverse, product portfolio targeted to a loyal audience
6) the hindsight of already having been as a family and a business where Kanstul is today.
7) a viable business model right now today _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 1518 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Euph, for your first point, what do you mean by 1.5 in 3? _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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jetjaguar wrote: | Euph, for your first point, what do you mean by 1.5 in 3? |
Zig has 3 sons. One is completely detached from the company by his choice, one has given a tremendous amount to it over many many years, but is responsibly focused first on his family and separate business activities in AZ, and one has been there, remains there, in Anaheim 24/7. So 1.5 of 3. The Getzen family through the generations similarly had varying levels of engagement with a noticeable renewed enthusiasm in a part of Adam's generation. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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Didymus Veteran Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Posts: 306 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:46 pm Post subject: Getzen Low Brass |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | jetjaguar wrote: | So what does Getzen have that Kanstul doesn't have? | I've owned several Getzen horns, and currently own a flugelhorn, piccolo, and field trumpet. I've played some Kanstul horns, but never owned one. They're both great companies.
In recent years, Getzen has simplified its offerings. Within the last 5 years, they stopped selling tubas and french horns, and now only sell one baritone horn. They also released two new Eterna models. I think this is a good thing ... focus on trumpets, cornets, flugelhorns, and trombones, and focus on the Eterna.
Mike |
Doesn't Getzen have some sort of distribution deal with Willson? _________________ Enjoy the journey. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:18 am Post subject: |
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I've lived in NY, CT, CO, HI, & CA. Never heard of Kanstul until I moved to San Diego. I first heard of Getzen when I was in junior high. |
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Speed Veteran Member
Joined: 13 May 2015 Posts: 295 Location: Mississippi
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I became aware of Getzen in the 1960s through the Doc Severinsen connection. Doc was arguably the most visible trumpet player around, and certainly one of the best known. That connection, and the advertisements it generated, probably made Getzen much better known nationally than it otherwise would have been. That name recognition didn't get lost when Doc's endorsement contract ended, nor when the family regained control of the business.
Wynton Marsalis is one of the few - if not the only - trumpet player today who has the widespread name recognition Doc Severinsen had when he did the Getzen endorsement. It just so happens that Wynton's chosen instrument is significantly beyond the financial resources of the vast majority of trumpet players. If Wynton played/endorsed a $3,000 Kanstul, they'd be adding on another shift. There are some great trumpet players who play Kanstul products, several who post here, but I'm not aware of one who carries the name recognition that makes a 17 year old trumpet player come to his parents and say, "I want a Kanstul trumpet like XXX plays." Add that to the fact that a band director is not likely to recommend a trumpet to his students if that brand cannot be purchased in reasonably close proximity.
If my Callet Jazz is indicative of the quality Kanstul turns out, they manufacture well made instruments. That said, in my part of the country, they are pretty much invisible. As I said in an earlier post, I have never actually laid eyes on a Kanstul branded trumpet. Either their marketing or their distribution, or both, could stand some improvement, because they seem to do well with the manufacturing part of things.
I wish them well.
Take care,
Marc Speed |
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