Case for either 2 trumpet or flugel/trumpet (bought Stomvi)

ayryq · Last edited by ayryq on Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:16 pm; edited 1 time in total

Can anyone recommend a case which accommodates different configurations depending on what a gig requires. I don't think I'll ever need a flugel and a C trumpet on the same gig (could happen, that's what single cases are for) but trumpet+flugel is very common, and B♭/C/(maybe picc) is another common need.

Seems like most of the high-end bags require an elaborate one-time setup where you customize the interior for your horns. So there will be a spot that's always for your particular flugelhorn, for example.

What I'm looking for is a bag that will let me grab just the horns I need and have them transported safe and sound.

I'm currently using a Reunion Blues triple bag which sort of does this, but I'm less than impressed with its protection, especially for the flugelhorn. It is nice that I can carry any random two horns plus a bunch of mutes. Watch for this bag in the marketplace if I find something better

I know the "what bag should I get" horse has been thoroughly beaten, but I couldn't find a thread with this particular scenario.
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Yamaha Neo cornet

wilcox96 · Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:34 am Post subject:

You may consider Fusion, out of the UK. They are super nice folks and make some very versatile bags.

https://www.fusion-bags.com/collections/trumpet

I own the Premium triple trumpet bag. I did have to take the removable padding out, but can fit a large (Bach) flugel, trumpet and all the mutes I need in it. Tons of other pockets on the side for music, ipad, etc.. Can carry with shoulder strap, handles or it has backpack straps. Pretty cool case. It does "seem" big...but honestly, if you compare it with a double case, plus a mute bag...no difference.

The company also makes extra padded, zippered bags for both trumpet and flugel, if you want. My Bach flugel didn't fit in theirs, but I'm sure a smaller (like a Yamaha) flugel would be just fine.

Good luck with whatever you decide!
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ayryq · Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:25 am Post subject:

zaferis · Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:42 pm Post subject:

Messina Covers. Good folks, solid bags.

They make a couple of variations, the 2.5 Airline is awesome, flexible and has a slot on the bottom for music-you wouldn't believe how useful THAT is. I will admit, a little awkward to configure for a Flugel, but works well once adjusted. Easily configured for 2 trumpets & picc. - In a pinch, I've used it for 3 trumpets-a tight squeeze but it did work.

I'm in line to get a triple from Messina as well.
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wilcox96 · Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:48 pm Post subject:

Fusion bags are completely easy to rearrange to fit whatever you need. It comes with a center bit of padding that is velcro'd in. Easily removable. I couldn't fit my big flugel in there (plus trumpet, mutes..) .

Eh, you know how you will use a bag or bags. If two will work best, great. I have enjoyed this Fusion bag, but I also have a rolling bag, for other circumstances.
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nieuwguyski · Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:59 pm Post subject:

The now-discontinued Torpedo Coyote could do exactly what you're describing.

I think it's a shame that Steve discontinued the "legacy Coyote" (as he now describes it) before actually having the new Coyote absolutely ready to ship. He's suggesting that the new Coyote may hit the market in mid-May, but his previous release estimates have been... optimistic, to say the least.

And I will say that his Snarl lid to accommodate top-sprung-valve flugelhorns was a less-than-elegant solution.

But I've had a Coyote for years and it's my everyday case. My standard internal setup holds my Bb, flugel, harmon mute, two spider stands, a Torpedo triple mouthpiece holster, valve oil, leadpipe swab, and a couple of squares of lint-free cleaning/polishing fabric. By moving one internal divider and adding three pads I can convert the mute/spider-stand/mouthpiece space into a piccolo trumpet slot, and I can fit valve oil and mouthpieces in the remaining space.

With a little more work the case can be reconfigured to hold most any combination of two "bigger" piston trumpets (pick any two of: Bb, C, D, Eb) plus either mute/stands/accessories or picc/oil/mouthpieces.

Depending on the height of the valve casings you can get a cornet to fit, but cornets are usually wider so while I've managed Bb/Cornet/accessories, don't expect to squeeze in a third horn.

So maybe scour the Internet for a used Torpedo Coyote.
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ayryq · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:11 am Post subject:

There are two Coyotes for sale on the markeplace right now. I haven't mentioned a budget before but they just might be out of it

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Bach 239 Eb/D
DEG Signature 2000 Bb/A picc
Yamaha YTR-9835 Bb/A picc
Yamaha Bobby Shew flugel
Yamaha Neo cornet

Brassnose · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:58 am Post subject:

Fusion. I have the triple bag and it takes everything I need (except the bass trumpet ...): trumpet, flugel, stand, music, clip micro plus long cable, lamp for music stand, a few mutes, reflector disk for standing micro, lotsa small stuff like oil etc, hat for sunny stages outdoors, ...
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ayryq · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:25 am Post subject:

It was oddly difficult to find internal pictures of the Fusion bags, but it looks like it has a standard gig-bag system of padded dividers (rather than the velcroed-in support blocks some of the others have). Which would allow me to slip out the flugelhorn and drop in the C with no reconfiguring; exactly what I want.

Brassnose, I see two triple-trumpet Fusion bags, the "urban" and the "premium." Which are you recommending?

Do you have trouble with the two same-direction bells hitting one another? Do you think the Fusion cases offer better protection than my RB Continental?

[Edit to add:] I'm remembering now that I narrowed it down to my Continental and the Fusion Premium when I was shopping a couple years ago. I think I picked the Reunion Blues case because the Fusion was (1) bigger (2) more expensive (3) goofy looking
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Bach "Philly" C
Bach 239 Eb/D
DEG Signature 2000 Bb/A picc
Yamaha YTR-9835 Bb/A picc
Yamaha Bobby Shew flugel
Yamaha Neo cornet

Brassnose · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:57 am Post subject:

I have the older version of the Urban bag. The difference seems to be the design of the outside pockets; other than that it looks like the new bag on the website.

In fact I just tested it: even my bass trumpet fits ...

I never really have three horns in the bag. The middle slot is for the flugel, facing one way. One of the side slots is for the trumpet, facing the opposite way. The last slot I use for cables and microphone stuff. You could probably also fit all the small stuff in the outside bag and use the third slot for a cornet, D/Eb or picc. But I don’t own any of these so I can’t really tell.

Seriously considering the Premium single bag for either the Bach or the Schmidt for gigs where only one horn is needed.

About goofy looking: I don’t care - being the one single jazz guy and a scientist always made me stick out and I didn’t care 30 years ago, much less today. I just always did things I liked which is a way to be happy in your life. The one single question I care about it: does it work?
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1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

ayryq · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:02 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that information. Looks like (per fusion-bags.com) the current urban triple-trumpet bag has 20mm padding and the premium bag has 30mm padding. The RB bag I've got now claims 1 inch padding, or around 25mm (though it certainly seems like less than that).

The music-stand accessory rack is interesting, not sure what they were thinking with all the velcro pockets.
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Yamaha YTR6345HGS Bb
Bach "Philly" C
Bach 239 Eb/D
DEG Signature 2000 Bb/A picc
Yamaha YTR-9835 Bb/A picc
Yamaha Bobby Shew flugel
Yamaha Neo cornet

Brassnose · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:07 pm Post subject:

The accessory rack is a little stiff but most of my small bottles and brushes and cleaning gear are really in there as are the mouthpieces. It also provides an additional layer of protection on the valve-side top.

I do not take it on stage, though.
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2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

ayryq · Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:21 pm Post subject:

OK, fusion premium bag on order. Thanks all. (Anyone want a deal on a Reunion Blues Continental?)
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Yamaha YTR6345HGS Bb
Bach "Philly" C
Bach 239 Eb/D
DEG Signature 2000 Bb/A picc
Yamaha YTR-9835 Bb/A picc
Yamaha Bobby Shew flugel
Yamaha Neo cornet

ayryq · Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:29 am Post subject:

I got the Fusion Premium triple-trumpet bag yesterday, and it's not going to work for me. It's really just like the reunion blues bag, with more doo-dads on the outside. I think a new approach (i.e. spending more money) is needed.

I got a pretty good deal, i think, on the Fusion—$300 with tax—so if anyone wants it before I ship it back to Amazon, let me know. I'll be out $16 for return shipping (which seems low; it's a huge box).

I just sent a note to the seller offering a Marcus Bonna triple-trumpet case. If I can use that for Bb/C/picc, then maybe I'll look at a ProTec case for Bb/flugel.

Eric
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Yamaha YTR6345HGS Bb
Bach "Philly" C
Bach 239 Eb/D
DEG Signature 2000 Bb/A picc
Yamaha YTR-9835 Bb/A picc
Yamaha Bobby Shew flugel
Yamaha Neo cornet

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wiemelen · Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:44 am Post subject:

Stomvi quad case?
Should be big enough for a trumpet + (big) flugel + extra stuff.

When I would use my Protec triple case for B-trumpet & Kanstul 1525, I need to remove all inside padding to make it fit. So that is no option for me.
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ayryq · Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:16 pm Post subject:

lgt0412 · Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:37 am Post subject:

Wiseman has exactly what the OP requested. It is the most protective case I have ever found and can be configured (and reconfigured) to carry whatever you need for that particular gig. I use mine mainly for Bb and flugel, but it can be reconfigured to add a Pic. or for any combination of 2-3 trumpets/cornets in any key .... either piston or rotary. They are not cheap. But I always am amazed at how little some people are willing to pay for the thing that protects their THOUSANDS of dollars of instruments!! The Wiseman also comes with a lifetime warranty on all parts and pieces. And if you get a new horn they can send you new inserts for that setup at any time. I have never regretted buying mine!!!
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ayryq · Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:41 am Post subject:

Here's what I've found is available for the trumpeter who needs a random selection of horns (is there anything I've missed in my taxonomy?):

1. Multiple single cases. I've done this, juggling (for example) a flugel and a Bb in hard cases, with a music stand and a bag with music, across a busy county fairgrounds. Doing this one two many times led to option 2:

1.5. Multiple multiple-horn cases. Have multiple triple- or quad-case semi-permanently configured for common situations. For me this would have required a sacrifice in quality in order to be affordable. Something like an iPac triple (for Bb/C/picc) and a Protec Mike Vax (for flugel+trumpet).

2. Gig-bag style. A tall gig bag with padded dividers can handle flugels and trumpets interchangeably, and unused slots can be used for mutes and stuff. The old Reunion Blues (Cronkite) doubler bags were the standard for this; I bought a modern RB Continental which has a more annoying lid and hard panels in the sides. The Fusion (which I bought and returned) is an evolution of this: similar on the inside but with extra pockets, backpack straps, and some positioning blocks. Messina Covers is a high-end version.

2.5. Gig-bag with positioning blocks. I wasn't sure where to put the Gard suspension bags. They're like a hybrid between a gig bag and the more protective (but less easily reconfigured) category below.

3. Velcro reconfigurable hard case. Marcus Bonna, and the Protec ipac. I think the Torpedo Coyote falls in this category as well. Velcro blocks let you set up a custom interior. Changing horns requires pulling blocks out and redesigning. Certainly possible but I think this sort of bag is probably best left in one configuration: velcro does eventually wear out. I nearly bought a Marcus Bonna triple from the marketplace; if there hadn't been a delay while the seller talked to another interested party I might have wound up with this option.

4. Non-velcro reconfigurable hard case. Stomvi/Bags of Spain is the only case I've found like this. The dividers and blocks get wedged in place. As demonstrated in Stomvi's video this can be done quickly and non-destructively. I've ordered one of these bags directly from Stomvi and expect to have it in a few weeks.

5. Custom configured case (with multiple configurations). As far as I can tell this is how the Wiseman case works. The inserts are bespoke for your instruments, and can be removed and replaced with different ones for different instruments.
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Yamaha YTR6345HGS Bb
Bach "Philly" C
Bach 239 Eb/D
DEG Signature 2000 Bb/A picc
Yamaha YTR-9835 Bb/A picc
Yamaha Bobby Shew flugel
Yamaha Neo cornet

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