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knatterbock
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: SIGNATURE 2000 SERIES trumpet Reply with quote

Who made this trumpet? Is it a pro model? What's a fair price for a used instrument?

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've brought this thread to Tony Scodwell's attention. I'm sure he'll get to this as time permits. Unless I'm mistaken Tony was very instrumental in the design of this line for the DEG company.

Stay tuned. Very nice trumpets btw
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:43 pm    Post subject: DEG Signature 2000 trumpets and flugels Reply with quote

Thanks to Michael for bringing this to my attention.
Don Getzen's company DEG [Donald E. Getzen] was started after Don left the old Getzen company. I believe he was the sole remaining Getzen family member involved in the company. Anyway, Don started DEG making some of the best marching brass in the business and representing Wilson in the N. American market. Horns [other than the Swiss Wilson's] were being made four miles down the road at his brother Bob's place, Allied Band Instruments which also had a very good repair school going there as well. I had played one of Jerry Callets trumpets which I knew were being made at Allied [at that time] and felt there was the potential to develop some really good horns. Bells were coming from Kiefer in Elkhart and the valves were being made there. Bauerfeind supplied the valves for the flugels and piccolos that I had a lot of involvement with and Don was willing to have me visit the plant many times and continue development on the whole line. The two trumpet models that came out of all of this were the Signature 2000 LA and NY models. The LA had a thinner, larger diameter bell similar to what Monette was getting from Kiefer at the time and the NY had a 25 gauge 37 type bell. A lot were made in tuning bell configuration and silver plating or a gold epoxy lacquer was standard. They played really well in spite of the suspect fit of the valves. Valves were not lapped in, only tumbled in a jewelry machine to smooth them out. Centerless ground blanks came sized to their specs [monel] and assembled at Allied. Control could have been better in so far as the end gaps were concerned, but as I said, they played pretty well in spite of all this. The horns sold well in Europe and cornets were quite well received in England. A little tid-bit...no less than William Vachianno picked up one of the four valve piccolos at a ITG and called Don asking to endorse it. I have his letter proudly hanging in my shop today.
This was probably more information than you really wanted to know, but I would certainly consider one of these horns if it comes up for sale. Chances are it will be cheap as not many people have heard of them. The piccolos and flugels certainly should be considered. Don imported a few flugels direct from Wilson with "Donald E. Getzen Signature Model" on the bell. They aren't the same but do have Bauerfeind valves and play OK.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had both the LA and NY model. They were great horns. If I ever run across either, I would buy them in a heartbeat.

Don gave me the 2 horns to try and if I liked them then we would talk dollars. We came to terms and I did purchase both the LA and NY. He also gave me one of the first if not the first Signature 2000 Flugelhorns which I still have.

He is a good man and puts his name on quality products.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony,
thank you for presenting the historic background! The horn plays extremely well...better than any of my instruments....and I have a lot...great slotting....great tone in all registers.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes: these are excellent. I've been playing my Signature 2000 Custom Series Bb trumpet , the NY model with tuning slide prototype SN:F2765 (with 65 stamped on other parts) exclusively for 27 years now. I've presumed it was the 27th made in 1965, but have no idea and was told by my mentor, Walter Blanton also of Las Vegas, that he'd helped develop it with Tony. I've since removed all of the gold lacquer to expose the raw brass and silver plated the bell with gold-plating on its interior. It looks great and has needed no repairs, even all of the original Monel valve components (except for possibly changing springs) are fast and smooth with good compression. Periodic lava soap has always been used as needed.

Occassionally I visit a well-stocked brass store when traveling through major cities and walkout again without an interest in switching. It plays phenomenally! Based on Tonys' and others strong recommendations, I also purchased the flugelhorn for this series as well as having a mint 4 valve piccolo arriving next week. Again, very pleased to have the set and have only found one other instrument which surpassed my experience (another custom of unknown make and possibly a Boston Bb).

I do believe Tony has stated elsewhere in this forum that these flugels are very similar to his current Scodwell line, with only minor alterations.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there a difference between the Signature model and the Signature 2000?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irving wrote:
is there a difference between the Signature model and the Signature 2000?


The "Signature 2000 Custom Series" will clearly state this phrase on the bell. Tony has said elsewhere in this site that DEG did have an earlier Signature, but it was not part of the 2000 line. However, again, Tony is the resident expert: I'm just a huge fan of them.[/img]
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DEG "Signature" horns - NOT '2000' - were earlier. I played a "signature" shepherd crook cornet in high school; our band director had some left over instrument budget and he always wanted "cornets on cornet parts". He bought a set of the DEG cornets. Late '70's, maybe 1978 or 1979. Different horn than the later 2000 series.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:43 am    Post subject: Signature lineage. Reply with quote

Donald Getzen had many "Signature" horns in his line-up with Wiilson and Blessing the major suppliers prior to my involvement which became the "Signature 2000" line of horns. The "Signature 2000" line was made four miles up the road at the Allied Manufacturing plant owned by Donald's brother Bob Getzen in Elkhorn, WI and technically DEG was in Lake Geneva, WI, only four miles down highway H.

The line up consisted of two models of Bb trumpets, the NY and LA. The NY had a 25 gauge bell made by Kiefer on a 37 mandrel and the LA also had a Kiefer made bell which was the same bell Monette was using. Both were two piece design. Some C and Eb-D trumpets were made and the Eb-D was based on a design Dick Akright had made with a cut down Bb. Cornets in Bb and Eb were primarily sold in England and the piccolo three and four valve models were well received worldwide. William Vacchiano asked Donald Getzen if he could endorse the four valve piccolo after playing them at an ITG. The three valve model was something I felt was needed by guys like me who played piccolo in a jazz environment. Both piccolos and my flugelhorn design used Bauerfeind valves which were owned by Wiilson at that time. The flugelhorn design continues today in the Scodwell USA line.

All of these instruments were produced in small numbers and are worth seeking out if you see them for sale. Only 150 of the four valve piccolos were produced for example.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is Kiefer doing these days? Does he have his own shop? Someone on here or elsewhere once said that Monette had used "Keefer" bells, meaning Brua Keefer and Son. But I know know it was the 21st century KeIfer bells he used.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be clear, Kiefer bell makers of Elkhart, IN had no connection to Keefer of Williamsport, PA. For some time Kiefer was the supplier to several manufacturing interests including E.K. Blessing, D.E.G., Monette, even Getzen. It was suggested that Reynold Schilke used Keifer for some of his early trumpets. Our Osmun-Shires custom trumpets and trombones built in Belmont, MA in the 1980's had Keifer bells.

One distinctive feature of Keifer bells is the length wise seam of the stem had no tabs, it is a butt joint. Only where the disc formed flare meets the stem will you see tabs in that seam.

As stated in another thread on the subject of Signature 2000 series trumpets, Kiefer's bell making tools were purchased in the early 1990's by Edwards (Getzen) in order to make trombone bells in-house. Some of of Kiefer's skilled employees move to Elkhorn, WI while some remained in Elkhart, IN and were hire by E.K. Blessing so they could make their own bells in-house. So Kiefer is no more.

I hope this is helpful.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the cornets?
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