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jmcclaymusic New Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2019 Posts: 5 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Good concepts for sure. I just like to think about a full, resonant quality of sound that takes up the room. If that's there I consider that to be a sound with a good "core." |
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grune Regular Member
Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 67
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Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: What is core in the sound? |
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BuzzFest wrote: | I have heard a lot of people say that they are looking for 'core' in their sound. In your opinion, what is core? Does that mean "pure sound with no fringe on it", or is it something else?
(Mods, if this should be in "Horns" or somewhere else, please feel free to move it. I wasn't sure) |
As you see, "core" is subjective. Like "timbre": "the psycho-acoustician's multi-dimensional waste-basket category for everything that cannot be labelled pitch or loudness." (McAdams and Bregman 1979, 34; cf. Dixon Ward 1965, 55 and Tobias 1970, 409).
Three important variables: the player, the mouthpiece, the trumpet. Alter any one of the variables, and you may hear a difference in brightness, timbre, core, or whatever other descriptor you choose; depending on the level of the player.
However, I have noticed one factor that seems to result from the trumpet only: projection. Some horns have better "direction", some have better "dispersion": these factors are not related to loudness. I had a Selmer once, ca 1970, which was a very nice horn to play; but it had not the projection of other horns. I had a Getzen, ca 1970, that had a "bright" sound with less audible overtones, which projected very well; in fact it projected too well and hampered blending with the orchestra. The best overall solution for me, at the time, was the Bach Strad: with it, depending on the mouthpiece, I could produce a "symphonic" sound or a "lead" sound. _________________ Bach Stradivarius, 180S37 (Silver Model 37 Bb), ML75618, purchased new in 1972. |
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rothman Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 1:43 am Post subject: |
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grune wrote: |
Three important variables: the player, the mouthpiece, the trumpet. Alter any one of the variables, and you may hear a difference in brightness, timbre, core, or whatever other descriptor you choose; depending on the level of the player.
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Horn designs, m-pieces, and plethora of various criteria can make a noticeable difference, but the idea that if you took a hundred good players and had them sort through leadpipes, equipment, etc., that they would suddenly have a sound as 'focused' as Zig, or Harry...sorry, but very few have come close to even doing that. |
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rothman Veteran Member
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trumpetobsession2 New Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I tend to believe that a player with " core" in their sound is a someone who has control over their sound production and is CHOOSING to sound a certain way. All of the great players in the country have this ability, and I believe that is one of the things that separates the pros from the amateurs. Once a player gains control over their sound production, that is when nuance can be added to the sound which differentiates the great players. |
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hvarf9 Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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That's fantastic! |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2655 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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trumpetobsession2 wrote: | I tend to believe that a player with " core" in their sound is a someone who has control over their sound production and is CHOOSING to sound a certain way. All of the great players in the country have this ability, and I believe that is one of the things that separates the pros from the amateurs. Once a player gains control over their sound production, that is when nuance can be added to the sound which differentiates the great players. |
I don't agree with the idea that great players chose their sounds. I believe most stumbled on something that works and kept doing it. Most had no idea what was going on and when asked how they did it, simply shrugged. _________________ Richard
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