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[Brassman64]

It is a matter of ethics.If somebody presents themselves as something other than who they really are,then they are patently dishonest.You can make any number of excuses for them but they are who they are.

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[mrhappy]

[veery715]

I can think of many good reasons to change one's email address. That is not something which raises a flag for me.

It is easy for us to become judgmental of others and possessive of this forum. Anyone seeking to buy or sell in the marketplace would do well to engage in serious communication by telephone when considering an expensive transaction. The most competent scammers will fool even the most perceptive of us. Personally, I have to have a real good feeling about the other party in a deal, and that doesn't come from 5 posts or a hundred, but from the quality of the other person's involvement here. That is because my main reason for participating is to further my understanding of the mysterious art of playing the trumpet and the pursuit of musicianship. Buying and selling horns is just a small offshoot.

I don't pretend to be a great player. I am not. But my interest is still sincere and learning continues for me until life is over. Hopefully the lessons are positive ones, and not sour feelings left over from a deal gone bad. So be careful. There is nothing inherently wrong with newcomers, as banal as their posts might seem. I have not had a single bad transaction through the marketplace, and I have had many. If something looks too good to be true, it probably is.
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[TKSop]

An alternative perspective (devils advocate, sort of)...

Perhaps the idea of the 5 post rule is that it encourages people to post on the boards - rather than being there as a gatekeeper for the marketplace, maybe it's there as bait to reel people onto the boards?

I'd argue that 5 posts isn't enough to really "hook" these new members, it's too easy to just post 5 inane/empty posts and then disappear from the boards altogether (and many people seem to do it).... but at the same time, if the idea were to pull members in, then perhaps the idea of a 50-100 post requirement might be too daunting to tempt people into dipping a toe?


At any rate - whether the OP wants an answer to his question or just to get to 5 posts (and we've seen both posters who are clearly aiming for 5 maximum and those that ask questions very early on and then continue posting), the question is still there and the answers will still be read... whether that's now, or by people using search functions in the future - if people find useful answers, they're more likely to have a positive opinion of the boards (and more likely to join in IMHO), whereas if all they see is hostility and unanswered questions then perhaps they're more likely to go elsewhere?

[Brad361]

[Brassman64]

I think that I made too much out of nothing.I really didn't want to present myself that way.Members that know me from TM know that I'm not so very critical of people.so I will apologize to the OP and to anybody who I have offended and I will make a greater effort to be more objective in my future posts.

[delano]

The reality is that TH has in fact two branches: the forum and the marketplace. The system of having made 5 posts in the forum before you are allowed to enter the marketplace may have good intentions but may also lead to 'fake' posts with no real or well defined content which gives, together with unclear answers on this posts, a certain level of pollution in the forum.
If I follow the advertising in the marketplace I see a lot of names that I will never meet in the forum or I see members with 5 posts in 2015 which leads to the conclusion that forum and marketplace might have, for at least a substantial part, a different population of posters.
So it may be a better option to drop the five-posts-rule and find another touchstone to control newbies in the marketplace (like full name, adress, tel. number, I don't know).
What's wrong with fake posts? They are often rudimentary formulated so they lead to unclears answers with a lot of discussions about what could be the real question, the definition of "dubba, bubba" and so on, unfriendly discussions and a bad image for this forum in general.
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[Tpt_Guy]

Wow, still beating this dead horse?

This is how I solve the dilemma:

1) I see a topic posted
2) I open it
3) If it's some inane post or a resurrected zombie thread with an inane post from someone with, say, less than a handful of posts (count your fingers) I move on.
4) If it's not as in (3) above and it's interesting, I read it and maybe participate in the thread.

In the Marketplace, I do the following:

1) I see an interesting ad
2) Open and read it
3) If I am interested in buying, I check the seller's posting history
4) If I like what I see (decent history, and actual intelligent participation) and I can afford the item, I contact the seller
5) If it doesn't hold up to number (4) above, I move on

Very easy, and I don't end up beating the dead horse.
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[blbaumgarn]

I don't think it is necessary to denigrate anyone here. I am fully ready to admit when someone's bell is bigger than mine!!
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[delano]

[J.D. Heckathorn]

I've frequented many forums since the early 2000's, and unless you're looking to kill what interaction you have the goal should not be to restrict any kind of posting other than for inappropriate content or comments.

Fact of the matter is people use these resources differently. I'm very much a lurker who reads and digests lots of great information on here to improve on what I like to do. Judging completely subjective motivations of anonymous individuals using a forum is not useful.

In terms of the marketplace I was a part of a forum where based on post counts or "reputation" it should require more posts to be able to use it, I think even 20 would be a good start. You don't want to miss out on a chance to garner views, clicks, comments from anyone regardless of their motivations. Also could be implemented a system where the person with less than X posts must ship or pay first to avoid scammers.

I'm just a pleb lurker tho so take that as you will

J

[mdarnton]

Inasmuch as I'm sure I'm not the only one being constantly baited into here thinking I might actually learn something about horns and bell sizes, I wonder if the mods would consider moving this thread out of here, the space for horn questions, into the designated whining forum, https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=14 , and maybe change the tread name, too?

[giakara]

A very good move is moderators let us now how many thousands members have only five posts , this will solve every misunderstanding I guess.

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