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napoorsocapo
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:08 am    Post subject: Mouthpieces Bach 3 Reply with quote

Someone uses Bach 3? They say it's hard to play.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the mouthpiece, it's the trumpet that's hard to play.
And deep mouthpieces on a trumpet are all demanding for your embouchure.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a NY Bach 3 that I used in graduate school, 1978-1980. Great mouthpiece until I started playing in a big band years later. Still use it with my C trumpet.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s a very deep dark mouthpiece. Not uncommon for rotary trumpet. Chris Botti plays a straight 3 as a jazz soloist and sounds wonderful. I’ve had one and it was too dark and deep for me, even though I favor slightly deeper and more open blowing mouthpieces. It completely depends on the player.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-Walk wrote:
It’s a very deep dark mouthpiece. Not uncommon for rotary trumpet. Chris Botti plays a straight 3 as a jazz soloist and sounds wonderful. I’ve had one and it was too dark and deep for me, even though I favor slightly deeper and more open blowing mouthpieces. It completely depends on the player.


It also depends on the instrument you stick it in. The Botti horn is a large bore Martin and already leans dark.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bach Strad.180-37
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't call it a deep cupped mouthpiece. I would call it a neutral mouthpiece. Neither deep or shallow, but right in the middle. But really, it is still just a Bach. Nothing magical there. The world is large and there are many fine mouthpiece makers to fulfill your desires for better and just the right tool for the job.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody's personal opinion can be important but it may be handy to know that the Bach company considers the cup of the 3 mp as deep:

3 Deep 16.30mm Medium wide Fairly large cup with full rich tone.

https://www.bachbrass.com/application/files/4614/8521/7763/AV2BA901_Original_1889_web.pdf
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is one the deepest mouthpieces that Bach makes.
2, 5A and 7A are slightly deeper. But they're all very deep.

I use a Bach 3 for my cornet and it is a great match.

For trumpet it is very deep and similar shape to some German/Austrian mouthpiece cups.
The mouthpiece is quite close to a Yamaha 14E4, but different throat and backbore.
I have a Bach 3 with 25 throat and 87 backbore and it is very similar to the Yamaha 14E4.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though a Bach straight 3 is slightly shallower than an A cup, it is still a very deep cup with little chop support. That works great for a few players, but not most. Respectfully, I would certainly not call it neutral. There are bigger and deeper mouthpieces, but it is still very big.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize for coming from a land of very deep cups. You are all right. It is quite deep. I just did the Kanstul Comparator and the Bach 3 is between a Wick D and XD cup. Very deep.

I forget that I don't ever play C cups or anything shallower. For me, everything works better with deeper and more open mouthpieces. At least a B cup for me so my perspective is skewed. I have Bach 3 for trumpet and cornet and I found them to be middle of the road in sound and response. Mainly they felt too small in bore. YMMV obviously.

Best wishes all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started playing a Bach 3 (from the late 60's / Corp no dot) about a year ago for small group club Jazz. Man I love it. You can whisper in this thing or play out and it still keeps that beautiful tone without getting too bright. When I first started using it I only used it for Jazz, but the more I play it the stronger I seem to be getting with it. Surely NOT a lead mpc, but I have no problem playing strong and fat up to say a D or E with it for solo's if I'm not too tired. Best of all I don't bottom out in it as I tire (that's for sure). My face tells me when I'm tired and when I need to bring the horn down. yeah , the more I play it the more it seems to help me build chops, and the more I am enjoying it. Then again I am talking small group Jazz in clubs / restaurants / etc where we can't blow the doors down or we'll loose the gig.
Surely not for me for Big Band or LEAD work with a large band.

But like anything it didn't happen overnight. Took me a few months to get to where I am now with it. I played it a little bit each day until I stated to feel comfortable with it. Now I use it for 80% of my gigs . The way I like to describe it is it gives me a FAT trumpet sound. I like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago I used a Bach 3 cornet for a British Brass Band. I also had a trumpet 3 and used it when I was playing 3rd trumpet in an opera orchestra on a Bach 43L Bb (La Boheme). It was perfect for the job. Between the deep cup and large bore, it was very taxing in a brass ensemble. I moved on to other things many times.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ tradjazzman - just curious. What make/model of trumpet are using in conjunction with that Bach 3C? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play a Bach 3. Deep C cup. Great Mpc.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a Carol Brass Legend 7760L RML that I kind of modified a bit. Removed the braces and stripped the red brass bell to raw brass. Works wonderful with the Bach 3.

Then I use a Carol Brass balanced 8060H with a Monette B4D for other work that I do. Similar to a Bach 1 1/2 B . That combination is more lively and brighter and I use that when I work with a larger group and need to cut through the "noise". (hehe). But for small group Jazz...…. I sure enjoy the Bach 3 and CB Jazz horn.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.
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