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| 1970 Yamaha Model YTR 734 Silver Plated Schilke B5 perfect clone |
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| 1969 Conn 60 B gold plated finish a little worn going into shop for valve lashing |
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| 1967 Olds Super finish worn, but excellent tone/mechanics |
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JBeeBop
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 Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 5:51 pm Post subject: Which of these horns is a better professional Horn |
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I have three professional horns and only need to keep one.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| '69 Conn 60B !!!!!!!!! |
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JBeeBop
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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That is the horn I have had for 50 years the Olds I picked up in New Orleans 2 months ago, the Yamaha was given to me by the widow of a late friend last Sunday. I am sending the 60 B to the shop for overhaul.
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CJceltics33
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Whichever you like best! |
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Crazy Finn
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Which of these horns is a better professional Horn |
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| JBeeBop wrote: | | I have three professional horns and only need to keep one. |
This is starting off with a false premise.
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kehaulani
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Which of these horns is a better professional Horn |
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | JBeeBop wrote: | | I have three professional horns and only need to keep one. |
This is starting off with a false premise. |
Possible. But also to the point, what kind of question is that? You've got the horns. You know best which one works best for you. Pick one.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Which of these horns is a better professional Horn |
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Crazy Finn wrote: | | JBeeBop wrote: | | I have three professional horns and only need to keep one. |
This is starting off with a false premise. |
Possible. But also to the point, what kind of question is that? You've got the horns. You know best which one works best for you. Pick one. |
Perhaps an honest question? I personally would never ask a bunch of people I didn't know what horn is best, but I can understand someone who hasn't played in a long time, has acquired two new horns and wants to winnow the collection asking. |
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kehaulani
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If he's just starting again, does it matter what he chooses as long as it functions well?
I don't mean this condescendingly. I've had a few strokes and coming back has conditions I've never had, but one of them is choosing a horn. I get caught up in what sounds the best on its own, etc., but the plain fact is that, at my stage, it's splitting hairs. Any good, workable horn works.
If the O.P. was buying a horn fresh it might matter, but since he already has the horns, it seems to me the answer is just what works best for him right now.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kehaulani wrote: | | If he's just starting again does it matter what he chooses as long as it functions well? |
Why do people feel the need to challenge, for want of a less incendiary term than attack, the OP’s asking a question? |
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kehaulani
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Don't mean to challenge it. Just giving an answer for the OP to consider. I certainly don't mean it to be abrasive.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Don't mean to challenge it. Just giving an answer for the OP to consider. I certainly don't mean it to be abrasive. |
Sorry. After CF’s post I thought the thread was going sideways. |
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delano
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | kehaulani wrote: | | If he's just starting again does it matter what he chooses as long as it functions well? |
Why do people feel the need to challenge, for want of a less incendiary term than attack, the OP’s asking a question? |
Yes, but there can be a valid and relevant reason for that, CF above found IMO a weak spot in the reasoning of the OP's question. BTW a more interesting question in this perspective could be: why do people feel the need to give answers to questions which are adressed to the OP?
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Crazy Finn
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| Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Which of these horns is a better professional Horn |
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| JBeeBop wrote: | | I have three professional horns and only need to keep one. |
I'm going to spend a short moment explaining why you could reconsider that premise. A few quick reasons:
- Trumpets aren't expensive. A good violin costs thousands of dollars. Cars are expensive. A good used pro trumpet can be had between $400-1500. Conversely, selling them won't actually reap huge rewards, financially. Is the money worth more than the enjoyment of having and playing it?
- Trumpets are cool and actually do something. Hummel figurines sit on a shelf. You can play music with trumpets. That's useful if you're a brass musician.
- They rarely drop significantly in value once they are used (they do drop significantly from new to used). There are worse things to collect - not that 3 is really a significant number of them.
- They're small and don't take up a ton of room. Maybe your boat or classic car needs a garage or something? Your trumpet doesn't.
- They're inanimate objects, so if you start using one for a while the others don't get jealous.
Anyway, just so I don't completely sidetrack this - let's say you decide you really don't want 3 trumpets despite these reasons. They're all great classic instruments that you've got there, in different ways. Aside from simply picking the one you enjoy playing the most - which is the most obvious, straightforward, clear and correct way to decide - think of it like this:
- The Yamaha 734 is like a 70's Datsun Z-car (280Z, perhaps). Quirky, different, a bit unusual, but a sweet little ride. It's not really a Schilke B5 clone, exactly, but definitely a Schilke horn from Yamaha.
- The Olds Super is like a classic car from the 50's. Maybe a '55 Chevy. (I know yours is from the 60's, but this is more accurate to me). If you want to go more throwback, then a late 30's Ford coupe.
- The Conn is.... well, I don't know much about that model of Conn. The 60B is less well known than the 38B, 22B and others. That doesn't make it a lesser horn, though. It's probably more like a lesser known 60's Muscle Car - like a Ford Torino or Plymouth Duster.
Which one speaks to you?
The Conn, being "your" horn for many, many years has much more nostalgic value than the others. Personally, I would always hang on to something like that (and have, see the Yamaha 6335 in my sig). Then, I'd probably hang on to one of the other two that really floats my boat in some fashion, hopefully including how it plays. But, that's just me...
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OldSchoolEuph
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I completely understand that people are often insecure about making such decisions, and want input from others to make the choice easier or safer. However, a bunch of people who cannot see or more importantly hear you are really not the right audience for the question.
In the end, if you really only keep one (not what I would do), the "best" horn is the one on which your sound is most preferred by those hearing you, and with which you achieve that sound with the least effort.
For analysis of how you sound, find a good teacher and maybe a few friends with qualified ears if you are not comfortable assessing your own sound bouncing off a wall, via recordings, etc.
For least effort determination, you really need to spend a few weeks with each and then rotate through seeing which, after getting used to them all, really responds easiest for you.
In the end, there's always a horn out there that's "better", so don't be surprised if this is not the last time you are making these assessments.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| delano wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | kehaulani wrote: | | If he's just starting again does it matter what he chooses as long as it functions well? |
Why do people feel the need to challenge, for want of a less incendiary term than attack, the OP’s asking a question? |
Yes, but there can be a valid and relevant reason for that, CF above found IMO a weak spot in the reasoning of the OP's question. BTW a more interesting question in this perspective could be: why do people feel the need to give answers to questions which are adressed to the OP? |
I apologize for derailing the thread.
If I may, I think that many of us who have been participated here for a long time have become numb to seeing the same questions over and over. What is a new and wonderful resource to newbies is old hat to us.
As a result we might offer curt answers knowing that our point was clear since we have made it in detail many times before. Only the newbies don't have that experience.
Just as I think some may have fallen into that trap, I myself have in this particular case. |
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veery715
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While I can understand the OP asking his question, it still makes the most sense that he himself is in the best position to answer it. Play each one everyday for a week and then with a blindfold do a test to see if he can tell the difference between them. There is no hurry, so if he can't, keep doing the rotation and testing until there emerges a clear favorite. The subjective result of patient testing is the best one for him.
So OP, take your time - you have plenty of it and already own the horns.
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kehaulani
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To riff off of that, It would help eliminate the placebo effect if he plays into a quality recording device and/or have some qualified listeners to give their feedback. I'm referring primarily to sound.
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| What is "valve lashing"? |
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veery715
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2 things.
1. I have not noticed anything regarding kehaulani's or LittleRusty's posting which I could consider objectionable. I don't know what gabriel127 is referring to but I don't think, frankly, that there is enough experience on his part here on TH for him to be rendering that kind of judgement. Maybe these fellows do speak (write) their minds. IMO that's OK. Folks might think me rude too, but my recommendation is to just lighten up. Remember that written words come across differently than the spoken ones. Don't read more into a post than is useful and don't let them rub you the wrong way.
I am not criticizing you, gabriel127, but just suggesting some more tolerance.
2. Lash is a term, often used in relation to the meshing of gears in a drive system, which refers to a bit of loose play between engaging metal surfaces. For a valve I can only think it means rotational play - you can rotate a piston from being stopped by the valve guide just a teeny bit clockwise/counterclockwise. Side play could also be called lash.
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