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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:36 am    Post subject: Slide Trumpet Reply with quote

Does anyone own a slide trumpet, if so, what brand of slide trumpet? What are some of the ways you use the slide trumpet? Has it been used in a performance situation?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine has one - uses it occasionally for 'suitable' solos - e.g. dixieland.
I view it as a 'novelty instrument', and easy to over-do its usage ...
Getting good group intonation can be a problem.bv

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Jupiter JST-314. I use my regular trumpet mouthpiece; Curry 3C. I sometimes use it for a blues solo. Not at a gig.

I would love to try two slide trumpets for Kachaturian's Sabre Dance. It might work, and if not, it might be hilarious.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ref. its being a novelty instrument . . or not . . check out Steven Bernstein. http://www.stevenbernstein.net/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n0TZJFilG8
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slide trumpet is an entirely different instrument. It's an old baroque thing, and the predecessor to the Sackbut.

The instrument referred to in this thread would be a Soprano Trombone. Anybody to call it a slide trumpet would be incorrect.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloo42 wrote:
Slide trumpet is an entirely different instrument. It's an old baroque thing, and the predecessor to the Sackbut.

The instrument referred to in this thread would be a Soprano Trombone. Anybody to call it a slide trumpet would be incorrect.


Not wanting to get into the semantics of the word "slide trumpet" but here we go. The "slide trumpet" actually dates back to the Renaissance and featured a telescoping leadpipe meaning the body of the instrument moved back and forth against the leadpipe (not very stable); this remained true into the Baroque. Other iterations of the "slide trumpet" include the english slide trumpet which utilized a spring mechanism "trigger" to alter the length of the slide. There were many variations and designs of the instrument, so its difficult to argue which is the true design of the instrument. I don't believe anyone should be offended with the OP being another realization of the instrument dating back to the Renaissance.

I used to own a Jean Baptiste (sam ash brand) slide trumpet, but sold it to purchase my C tpt. I am interested in getting another one and would like to know what you guys are playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is what the O.P is asking?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
Is what the O.P is asking?


What brand of slide trumpet do you own? what are some of the ways you use the instrument. I owned one awhile ago and I'm looking to getting other one in the future. Curious how others use their horn.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wycliffe Gordon

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is looking at a slide trumpet as a "piccolo trombone" so to speak and not the English Slide trumpet or Baroque slide trumpet.

I have an old record of Moravian brass music and the slide trumpet is played by Malcolm McNab, and like every thing else he does, the playing is excellent.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a real slide trumpet:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/SlideTrumpet2.jpg/220px-SlideTrumpet2.jpg

Pictured is a replica of a 15th Century instrument.

What the majority of modern trumpeters think of as a slide trumpet is, in actuality, a soprano trombone. I have noodled around on a few of them. Many models will accept standard trumpet mouthpieces. Though I'm sure they exist, I don't know of anyone specific who plays a real slide trumpet.

There is such a thing as a piccolo trombone. It is pitched like a piccolo trumpet.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/12Pb0ektzuU/maxresdefault.jpg

Left to right: piccolo, soprano, tenor, bass, and contrabass trombones.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wycliff Gordon in action....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muJwnmcXzg

I was playing a lot of trombone a few years ago and, being a trumpet player, thought that slide trumpet, or "soprano trombone" would be a shoe in. I got to try a really nice at one the Kanstul factory and found out that it's not that easy at all. The slide positions are very hard to get precisely and I figured the hours of practice spent just to end up sounding more or less like a regular trumpet would be a poor bargain. It looks like a blast to play however....
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play a Martin Soprano Trombone, it's over 100 years old. I've used it on a few gigs for kicks and to have fun with the kids in the audience. It uses a flugel shank mouthpiece.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here's Wycliffe Gordon with the UNT One O'clock, 2015 Cancer Blows...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTy-NeVaUL4

Incredible performance...soloist and band!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically, a soprano trombone would be pitched in (about) e flat, just as the soprano cornet is a cornet in e flat.

Trumpets in b flat and c are called mezzosoprano trumpets, so a slide trumpet in b flat should be called a mezzosoprano trombone.

I call it a slide trumpet anyway as it is a trumpet and you change the pitch with a slide.

Kanstul made two kinds of slide trumpets: model 140 was marketed as slide trumpet, with a 72-like bell. Model 150, with a larger throated bell, was sold as a soprano trombone. What's in a name. I played them both, and liked the 150 very much. They both played and sounded like trumpets.

http://www.kanstul.com/instruments/trumpets/140-bb-slide-trumpet/
https://www.kanstul.com/instruments/trombones/150-bb-soprano-trombone/
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Jupiter that I bought used. I played it on one gig (briefly) and have practiced with it a bit as an embouchure development tool. It's of limited usefulness for what I do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anything that might be of benefit for playing a slide trumpet / (mezzo)soprano trombone? Improving your ear for intonation?

I was interested in the Kanstul one but alas...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My slide trumpet is a Weril. It's not the world's finest, but it's more than enough for my purposes for just having it as a novelty.

Steven Bernstein is a slide trumpet player that you should check out and his recordings with the group, Sex Mob. I've caught him live a few times. The Sex Mob Does Bond album is outstanding.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figure for most people a slide trumpet would be a novelty. Curious if anyone has been using one for anything else.
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