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deleted_user_8450088 New Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:49 pm Post subject: High notes |
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Range is important and one of the big things is a consistent lip position. I have headers this many times. Is that the case? |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3353 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:03 am Post subject: |
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This is something you really should know about. There are lots of different opinions from many people; it usually depends on what worked for their particular case, and HOW they choose to describe the feelings and sensations of embouchure usage.
I suggest doing a google search for 'roy stevens embouchure analysis pdf' .
I think Stevens' basic explanations and techniques are a good starting point for most people.
The online pdf appears to be a pirated OCR scan, and it contains several obvious typos - but those are easily seen and understood by using common sense.
A big point that Stevens makes is that it IS possible to develop a decent 'high school' / 'college' level of playing even with an embouchure that causes a limitation of the high range at some point.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Wasted time, Jay. This is one of five "one-liners" to get posted in the Marketplace. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:04 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Wasted time, Jay. This is one of five "one-liners" to get posted in the Marketplace. |
Yep, and done with 4.
https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=115475&s=Custom
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Four posts in four minutes, at that.
Game the system, or the system games you - a famous game player. |
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Anthony Miller Regular Member
Joined: 01 Nov 2016 Posts: 79 Location: Ryedale, North Yorkshire, UK
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:27 am Post subject: |
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No, not wasted. I learned about the 'roy stevens embouchure analysis pdf' and downloaded it - looks interesting, thanks!
kehaulani wrote: | Wasted time, Jay. This is one of five "one-liners" to get posted in the Marketplace. |
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deleted_user_8450088 New Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:38 am Post subject: Jay |
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Thank you Jay I will look into that. |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:46 am Post subject: |
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And the OP wasted his time as well. Nobody around here buys from people who place five insincere posts on our website just to place items in the Marketplace. I remember when one of these types listed a Schilke E3L-4 for about $500 under its value. And it sat for a year and never sold. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Jay |
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eafloyd186 wrote: | Thank you Jay I will look into that. |
🙄🙄
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Who really cares? If we get another member it’s good! I really don’t have a problem with it unless someone is a cheat or thief, I’m sure that most new members posting a horn for sale are just trying to actually sell a horn. I have seen very few fraud claims on the list.
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:46 am Post subject: |
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The way the regular members police this list I don't think scammers really get much chance to succeed in their evil ways. We are a pretty tough bunch! _________________ veery715
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gabriel127 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: |
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veery715 wrote: | We are a pretty tough bunch! |
That's one way of putting it. |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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And at times a fairly silly bunch! And I have yet to read a mail that is a consensus belief. I still think the trumpeting world would appreciate a more scientific approach.i don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I would pay at least 25$ yearly for some more fact based studies regarding trumpet issues and universal questions. I have heard well respected and excellent players spout bull poop describing what they think they do or think they do - there is so little consensus regarding even common issues the only way to find what works for you is to try all the different methods and techniques and keep what works for you. I’m 66 and 6 years back at playing and don’t feel I have found the answers I need to have in order to get back to where I was once upon a time. I’d like to see the herald or ITG fund some research, there have to be some universal truths and methods but with everyone defending their method or belief as if their life depended on it I’m just not sure this will happen. And such large egos as I sometime see reflected in posts (small#) don’t help the objectivity needed to find universal truths. Wish we would get started on something like this. My rant for ‘19.
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Rod Haney wrote: | And at times a fairly silly bunch! And I have yet to read a mail that is a consensus belief. I still think the trumpeting world would appreciate a more scientific approach.i don’t know if anyone else feels this way but I would pay at least 25$ yearly for some more fact based studies regarding trumpet issues and universal questions. I have heard well respected and excellent players spout bull poop describing what they think they do or think they do - there is so little consensus regarding even common issues the only way to find what works for you is to try all the different methods and techniques and keep what works for you. I’m 66 and 6 years back at playing and don’t feel I have found the answers I need to have in order to get back to where I was once upon a time. I’d like to see the herald or ITG fund some research, there have to be some universal truths and methods but with everyone defending their method or belief as if their life depended on it I’m just not sure this will happen. And such large egos as I sometime see reflected in posts (small#) don’t help the objectivity needed to find universal truths. Wish we would get started on something like this. My rant for ‘19.
Rod |
This is a really good idea, Rod. I think you should begin a fresh thread pushing this idea. I would add my $25 to the project. _________________ veery715
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Rod Haney wrote: | Who really cares? If we get another member it’s good! I really don’t have a problem with it unless someone is a cheat or thief, I’m sure that most new members posting a horn for sale are just trying to actually sell a horn. I have seen very few fraud claims on the list.
Rod |
I care. And it has absolutely nothing to do with being unwelcoming to new members, I always try to be helpful and friendly to new members who post here with genuine questions or comments. I don’t necessarily suspect someone who throws up five meaningless posts in order to then sell something here of being dishonest, but I would not like to see this place become another Craigslist.
We’re all entitled to our opinions, you’re fine with a person putting up five posts just to access the marketplace, ok. I’m not.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Shifty Veteran Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2013 Posts: 257 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Rod Haney wrote: | I have heard well respected and excellent players spout bull poop describing what they think they do or think they do - there is so little consensus regarding even common issues the only way to find what works for you is to try all the different methods and techniques and keep what works for you.
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I fear this is the bottom line truth. The question is whether or not I'll live long enough to try all the methods... _________________ Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Shifty wrote: |
I fear this is the bottom line truth. The question is whether or not I'll live long enough to try all the methods... :o |
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It seems to me that all of the 'methods' have their own 'path' to playing high range.
With the 'end goal' ability being relatively simple -
1) The lips must have the proper tension to vibrate at the desired pitch.
2) The player must be able to force the lips to vibrate. And that demands that (a) the lips are not prevented from vibrating by mouthpiece or muscle pressure, and (b) the player can produce air flow thru the lips to cause lip vibration movement.
Simple to say and understand - not so easy to actually do.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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