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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:46 pm    Post subject: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? Reply with quote

hi all,

I usually use a yamaha 6335 and I recently bought a 2330 to use like back-up horn. The 2330 it looks great and have a very goode valves. The sound is good for a student horn.

my only concern is that it blow very different from my 6335. The 2330 its' very stuffy and difficult to me especially in high register

any advice? is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?

thanks

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? Reply with quote

desmo wrote:
change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?

If the tuning slide of your 6335 fits the 2330, you could try swapping it and see if there's any change. Using a different mouthpiece is another thing you could try with relatively little investment and/or impact.

However, it could also be that it's just not a suitable instrument for you. In that case, you may want to consider what you're actually gonna use it for and whether it'll be 'good enough' for that. It is, after all, a back-up and not a replacement, right?

If you don't mind me asking, why did you buy this particular horn as a backup?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you cleaned it thoroughly?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Design specs, quality control, flaws, gap, age, cleanliness, etc... Take your pick. Likely a combination of most of the listed.

I would say getting two different models, or even like trumpets, and expecting them to play the same is the problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? Reply with quote

desmo wrote:
hi all,

I usually use a yamaha 6335 and I recently bought a 2330 to use like back-up horn. The 2330 it looks great and have a very goode valves. The sound is good for a student horn.

my only concern is that it blow very different from my 6335. The 2330 its' very stuffy and difficult to me especially in high register

any advice? is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?

thanks

regards


Guess your 2330 is a trumpet?! I have a 2330II cornet - not stuffy at all, of course more restricted tonal spectrum than my Getzen Custom but quite OK. Needs a rather big mpc in order to, light up. (=Shilke 14 3 D 3. Anything but difficult up high! Used it for fun in the big band, floating above like a piccolo!
But compared to the (trumpet) 6335 RC "restricted". After all a "school" instrument.
Perhaps the resistance just isn´t your cup of tea?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

x hibidogrulez
I choice the 2330 (trumpet) because is the more cheaper yamaha available and only like back-up horn. I bought it new, so is very clean.

anyone have tried or have some result in changing the GAP using harrelson shim kit? it make sense on a cheaper student trumpet?

mouthpiece with a little larger throat may help?

different main tuning slide from another student model? (example the previous 2335 or 2320, etc..)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? Reply with quote

desmo wrote:


The 2330 its' very stuffy and difficult to me especially in high register

any advice? is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?


Sounds like a typical 2330. Great student trumpets, but with one major downside: very stuffy high register.They just don't soundor sing above the staff. In my experience, changing mouthpiece doesn't work. You better put your money on another back-up trumpet. An intermediate trumpet with a nice high register is the King Silver Flair and they are often good finds used. Of course there's a downside with them too - intonation is not on Yamaha-level.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? Reply with quote

desmo wrote:
is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?
I don't think any of these will help...the 6335 is a GREAT pro horn!!
Student models are called that for a reason, apples and oranges.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try your mpc with bigger throat , I use the same horn in a marching band I play and I had the same problem but when i start to use a Reeves P9 with #26 bore (i use a stock #27 to my Lawler) it feels much better and open .

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

desmo wrote:
x hibidogrulez
I choice the 2330 (trumpet) because is the more cheaper yamaha available and only like back-up horn. I bought it new, so is very clean.

anyone have tried or have some result in changing the GAP using harrelson shim kit? it make sense on a cheaper student trumpet?

mouthpiece with a little larger throat may help?

different main tuning slide from another student model? (example the previous 2335 or 2320, etc..)


Youre putting lipstick on a pig trying to alter it. Sure, you can put a new leadpipe or tuning slide but at the end of the day you still have a student horn. A xeno tuning slide/leadpipe, if it fits, might help you.

In the future I would recommend buying a used pro model as a backup. Buying a 2330 and hoping it will play like a 6335 because they are both made by Yamaha is not super realistic. The 6335 is a pro horn and for a time was the top of the line for yamaha. the 2330 is a fine student model and all, but still a student model. They will not play similarly enough to suit your needs without major adjustment beyond the worth of the 2330.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 6335 is quite open for a Yamaha horn. It has a lot of Yamaha characteristics, but definitely more open. That is why I have one. It is my backup horn. I have a 4335 that I played for years, but it plays tighter. I assume the 2335 is along the line of most Yamaha student and intermediate horns. They are a little tighter, particularly as you go higher. Some of the teachers here can better tell you, but I would assume that it helps people starting out to have a little more resistance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject: Valve alignment Reply with quote

Check or have a tech check your valve alignment.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check all tubing for any obstructions - use a cleaning snake, or flexible plastic rod, etc.

Valve alignment. remove the valve slides and look. Also loosen the top valve caps and check if additional slight UP or DOWN movement affects the the valve-up position.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop blowing so hard.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second Steve Hollahan's suggestion. I traded a 6335 to a friend for an Olds Super. The Super was really stuffy, but I hated the 6335 so I went for it. I checked the valve alignment and they were quite a bit off. I realigned them and WOW! It became my main horn for years until I got a Super Recording.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A leaky water key can stuff a horn up pretty bad
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a practitioner of precision valve alignment I can attest to the wide range of misalignment I’ve witnessed. In addition, a fresh flat natural cork can do wonders to restore a trumpet’s response. 😉
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