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groovinhigher
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I had the distinct pleasure of playing a 1925 Holton while hanging out at Lance Bullers house on Christmas Eve, and I was absolutely amazed, that many of the same qualities I like about the current MF ST307 and 308 were present even back then. Great highs on it, was playing double c's as easily on that 1925 Holton, which just shocked or surprised me, lol, maybe it should not have surprised me, but was a lot of fun to find out about.
It kind of showed me how some things can just be built on and carried forward, and improved where it makes sense. The old horn had a real heavy or very thick bell, but still played nice, where as the new ones are more light weight, and truthfully can get more out of it, still was fun to see just how cool that old horn was.
Regardless, I am loving Holton trumpets, new and old, lol...
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groovinhigher
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I have a question for some of you guys who might have looked into this or wondered the same thing. That old Holton had a really short stroke on the valves, not just an effect of the valve caps but in the design shorter stroke than most modern day trumpets I have played. I assume it must be harder to do or something like that as to why that short stroke is not more commonly done.
Any ideas or thoughts on that? I am just curious about the difference I noticed on that.
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gus
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Well.
I had a German trp. made by Julius Keilwerth ( the famous
sax maker ) and it had a Baeurfeind valve block ( same as
Eclipse) that was very short and good.
I don't know if it is as short as the Holton, but it is shorter
than the normal trp.
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plp
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Of all my horns, my MF has the shortest stroke, although my Conn 12 B isn't far behind. I see this as a major advantage, although my speed riffs are nothing to write home about and are not to the point yet where valve stroke has any effect. I always figured this was the reason why rotary trumpets came into being, as a cam action is more effective that a direct action for shortening the stroke.
To you rotary guys out there, is my theory correct? I don't know, as other than french horn, I have never played a rotary instrument. |
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groovinhigher
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Actually I had always heard the opposite, the piston valve was to provide faster response from the rotary which came first.
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