At around 6:25 he switches to a lead mouthpiece. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run"
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:15 pm Post subject:
Link [/b] _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger
As long as we're at it, does anyone know it's tone? Like a Severensen, Benge or more middle core like a Bach? In other words, is it a bright horn?
It's probably most similar to a Benge, but a Severinsen might be a good comparison as well. The King Silver Flair is from the era where lightweight trumpets were the best match for the recording equipment of the time (Calicchio, Benge, Conn 60B, Olds Custom Crafted, etc.). They are pretty bright sounding compared to a standard weight Bach, but it's more vibrant rather than a piercing or nasal sound that some horns have. The most famous recording with a King 1055T is probably Uan Rasey's solo on "Chinatown". They're really great instruments, and very underrated compared to a lot of other vintage horns.
The most famous recording with a King 1055T is probably Uan Rasey's solo on "Chinatown".
Actually, I think Rasey used a King "Frankenhorn" with some components from a King 1077 Golden Flair and a 1055T Silver Flair bell. (See my post in this thread -- https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=162312&highlight=golden+flair) _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run"
Joined: 29 May 2023 Posts: 19 Location: either playing my trumpet or playing my guitar
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:17 am Post subject: Re: cleaning Silver Flair....how do I take off the trigger?
chef8489 wrote:
To remove the slide you press the trigger which actuated the slide. With your thumb on the trigger you pull the slide off and slowly release the trigger. If you just let go of the trigger it will slam down and cause damage to the tines of the trigger where the slide slips into as well as cause damage to the valve block.
A follow-up question. I pushed the trigger forward, but before the tines release the slide, the trigger hits the 1st valve casing. It appears that I would need to partially unscrew the retaining/spring screw in order to allow the trigger to move forward unimpeded. I'm thinking if I did that, the trigger would move away - laterally - from the valve casing.
Is that normal? Is there a problem partially unscrewing the trigger screw?
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:28 am Post subject: Re: cleaning Silver Flair....how do I take off the trigger?
Sir_Ricardo wrote:
chef8489 wrote:
To remove the slide you press the trigger which actuated the slide. With your thumb on the trigger you pull the slide off and slowly release the trigger. If you just let go of the trigger it will slam down and cause damage to the tines of the trigger where the slide slips into as well as cause damage to the valve block.
A follow-up question. I pushed the trigger forward, but before the tines release the slide, the trigger hits the 1st valve casing. It appears that I would need to partially unscrew the retaining/spring screw in order to allow the trigger to move forward unimpeded. I'm thinking if I did that, the trigger would move away - laterally - from the valve casing.
Is that normal? Is there a problem partially unscrewing the trigger screw?
thanks
You don't need to unscrew anything at all. At no point should your trigger hit the 1st valve casing. If it does, your trigger is bent. I'll try to get some pics later. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger
Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 1843 Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:03 am Post subject:
Interesting discussion on the trigger. When I started looking for a Silver Flair I noticed that the distance from the trigger/paddle (the part the thumb pushes) and the 1st valve casing was different on various pictures in listings. Not sure if people bend them to preference or if the exact shape of the trigger changed or varied during production? Any way, the one I ended up buying has the trigger closer to the valve casing than some others I saw. I had to remove the trigger to get the first slide off. It was not that big of a deal. I like the positioning of where it is, so have not bent the trigger away from the valve casing. If you do decide to bend it, I STRONGLY encourage you to REMOVE THE TRIGGER before attempting to bend it. In my opinion, you should not try and bend it while mounted as that will most likely put too much tension on the valve casing and could possibly warp the valve casing. _________________ Larry Woods
LDWoods
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:19 am Post subject:
ldwoods wrote:
Interesting discussion on the trigger. When I started looking for a Silver Flair I noticed that the distance from the trigger/paddle (the part the thumb pushes) and the 1st valve casing was different on various pictures in listings. Not sure if people bend them to preference or if the exact shape of the trigger changed or varied during production? Any way, the one I ended up buying has the trigger closer to the valve casing than some others I saw. I had to remove the trigger to get the first slide off. It was not that big of a deal. I like the positioning of where it is, so have not bent the trigger away from the valve casing. If you do decide to bend it, I STRONGLY encourage you to REMOVE THE TRIGGER before attempting to bend it. In my opinion, you should not try and bend it while mounted as that will most likely put too much tension on the valve casing and could possibly warp the valve casing.
The design stayed the same from introduction of silver flair all the way to the current models of the silver flair. I have had many models of all them through the years from H.n. white, Kmi, Umi and even modern conn-selmer. Unless the trigger was bent, there is plenty of room for it to travel and for it to be removed without anything being unscrewed. It's the whole reason for that design. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger
As long as we're at it, does anyone know it's tone? Like a Severensen, Benge or more middle core like a Bach? In other words, is it a bright horn?
Old thread but my perception from behind the horn in my living room is the Silver Flair is similar to a Severinsen but not quite as bright. Valves are good, not quite the NASA spec feel of the Getzen. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
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Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:24 am Post subject:
I was greatly impressed with your playing on God Bless America, Robert.
George _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet
Joined: 09 Aug 2019 Posts: 409 Location: SE Louisiana
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:23 am Post subject:
Robert P - Very nice clean playing and sound. The mouthpiece and Silver Flair are a good match with you behind the horn!!
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Ron _________________ Martin Committee #2 1954
Leblanc “Al Hirt” Model 1966
Olds Custom Crafted Ultra Sonic 1974
Edwards Gen II 2014
Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 1843 Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 5:58 am Post subject:
These pics came from current ebay listings. In each picture the slide is fully in, even the one with the hand holding the horn. I know the angles are different, but you can see that the distance from the trigger (the part the thumb presses) and the valve case is different.
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:42 am Post subject:
ldwoods wrote:
These pics came from current ebay listings. In each picture the slide is fully in, even the one with the hand holding the horn. I know the angles are different, but you can see that the distance from the trigger (the part the thumb presses) and the valve case is different.
Those are bad angle pics though. The triggers travel past the first valve and should nor touch it unless it's bent. Pardon the dirty horn. I need to polish my horn.
_________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:38 am Post subject:
Would any of you know if a Benge can be warmer than the Silver Flair?
Is the Silver Flair mainly a lead horn or would it fit in with a typical wind ensemble? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2023 10:44 am Post subject: Re: I'd post a pic of my trigger -- but how do you post pics
Sir_Ricardo wrote:
Sorry, guys, I checked the FAQs and there were no instructions as to how to post a pic.
If one of you kind gents (and ladies) could tell me, I'll post a photo of my trigger, showing why it can't move past the 1st valve casing.
Upload to a site like imgurl then use the link to your your pic and when posting you have option to hit the img button in the pic, past the url of your pic then hit the img button again to close it
It will look like this
_________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger
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