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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:02 am Post subject: GEWA mpc adapter French horn to trumpet |
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I've been experimenting with all sorts of things the past few months and one of the things I tried was a French horn mouthpiece on my trumpet (got a bunch of them laying around anyway). Without the adapter, the sound was reasonable (very mellow, not trumpety so obviously not a 'main mouthpiece') but of course, the mouthpiece didn't fit properly. Given that they're quite cheap, I opted to try a GEWA mouthpiece adapter. Sadly, it dampened the sound so much that it went from 'promising' to 'dud'. The adapter is made from aluminum and I'm guessing that somehow doesn't transfer the resonance properly (I don't like aluminum mutes for the same reason).
Does anyone else have any experiences with mouthpiece adapters? Are there any that do work properly or are they really just pointless novelties? |
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bach_again Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I highly doubt it is the metal - it is more likely the interface area(s) being all out of whack. When you put the horn mpc in the tpt it probably had 0 gap etc... cheap adapters can be pretty awful too. I have had some that were unusable. I will try a horn mpc in tpt later on and see what happens.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:45 am Post subject: |
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I doubt it's the metal, also.
But more than that, a French Horn mouthpiece is designed to produce a certain result tor the Horn, and vice-versa for trumpet mouthpieces. Why would you want to compromise the tone and other results on a Horn by using a mouthpiece that's not designed for? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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lgt0412 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:52 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | I doubt it's the metal, also.
But more than that, a French Horn mouthpiece is designed to produce a certain result tor the Horn, and vice-versa for trumpet mouthpieces. Why would you want to compromise the tone and other results on a Horn by using a mouthpiece that's not designed for? |
I totally agree. I'm reminded of a quote from comedian Chris Rock, "Just cuz you can drive a car with your feet, don't make it a good ******* idea!"
That being said, obviously anyone has the right to quench their curiosity. But, IMHO, there is a reason specific mouthpieces are made for specific instruments. Just because someone made an adapter doesn't mean they should have made an adapter!! Lol _________________ Van Laar B6
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Certainly nothing wrong with messing around with mouthpieces, but hopefully you didn’t expect it to actually work well; they’re both brass instruments, but obviously quite different.
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:41 am Post subject: |
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If I were tinkering with an adapter, I'd start by wrapping electrical tape over the portion of the shank that is nearest the end of the trpt mpc receiver - to obtain a snug fit at that location. And then determine if further action is warranted.
For a more permanent solution, I'd look at brass compression sleeves that are used with plumbing tubing. There might be sizes that could be modified to fit on 2 locations of the FH shank to give a no-wobble fit in the trpt receiver.
I installed a similar sleeve on the shank of an old T-bone sized mouthpiece so it fits securely in an old Euphonium receiver.
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delano Heavyweight Member
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:57 am Post subject: |
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bach_again wrote: | I highly doubt it is the metal - it is more likely the interface area(s) being all out of whack. When you put the horn mpc in the tpt it probably had 0 gap etc... cheap adapters can be pretty awful too. I have had some that were unusable. |
You're probably right. When I use just the mouthpiece, it goes in until the outer rim touches the edge of the leadpipe and it'll move around a tiny bit when playing. It produces a very mellow, dark and softer tone than a trumpet mouthpiece but it's also much, much harder to play. Using the adapter made it stick out a lot more...maybe that's causing it to sound worse?
kehaulani wrote: | I doubt it's the metal, also.
But more than that, a French Horn mouthpiece is designed to produce a certain result tor the Horn, and vice-versa for trumpet mouthpieces. Why would you want to compromise the tone and other results on a Horn by using a mouthpiece that's not designed for? |
Using French horn mouthpieces to make a trumpet sound (more or less) like a flügelhorn isn't entirely unheard of. One particular mouthpiece had some potential to be usable.
Brad361 wrote: | hopefully you didn’t expect it to actually work well |
I was hoping that the mouthpiece adapter would improve the combination enough to make it actually usable. Sadly, it made it sound far, far worse.
I guess you guys are right though, it was a fun experiment but I'm probably better off using proper gear. |
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Joel Payne Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:56 am Post subject: |
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I frequently use a flugelhorn mouthpiece with my Bb or my D for a non-edged sound, especially in church contexts. Of course, I have to wrap tape around the shank for fit. Anyone know of a good adapter for this situation? (*and before you ask, yes, I have tried Curry TF cups and other similar options, but they don't yield the result I want) _________________ Joel Payne |
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Ancientram Regular Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2019 Posts: 86 Location: Fairborn OH USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:01 pm Post subject: Gewa Adapter |
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Contact Rob Love at www.brasswindresearch.com. What you want is his Model F trumpet mouthpiece. It works a treat! |
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