Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:53 pm Post subject: How to trumpet in a Post Oil and Gas World?
Most of the available valve/rotary oil and slide lube/grease is produced using petroleum as a base ingredient, so how will the brass world adapt in the future? Berp Bio oil is one company, I'm familiar with, that claims to produce 'non-petroleum' oils and lube/grease. What are some other companies that are adapting?
You need fuel oils and various other distillates from crude oil including tar for roads.
For example in obtaining tar for road building heavy oil fuel oil light oil naptha and paraffin must be produced as a by product. So there will no shortages of these
Gasolene and LPG are also going to be produced as by products and continue to either be sold or flamed off like excess gas is flamed off now.
To stop fractional distillation of crude oil would end road building and cargo ship transportation, paraffin is used as fuel for commercial jet liners.
You either stop producing everything all at once or keep producing everything and then you must dump what you cant sell and that would create an environmental catastrophe.
When do they envisage stopping all road building air transport military operations cargo vessels freight haulage.
Having no fuel for ships and airplanes means an army navy and airforce operational gap than cannot be filled.
Do we return to using horses because we cannot power the abrams tank.
Do ships return to using sails and wind power
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:06 am Post subject:
There is no "post-oil" world--at least not in our lifetimes. It's in nearly every modern product and / or production process.
I believe it's also used in the production of synthetic oils. It's surely used in valve oil bottles, unless the bottle is specifically made to be biodegradable.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:41 pm Post subject: How to trumpet in a post gas and oil world?
Well, from all the ecology awareness talk we hear from certain politicians over the last 30-40 years there has been no significant alternative suggested for carbon based fuels. Electric powered vehicles can make a difference. We are most likely going to be using petroleum and synthetic products on the brass we play for a long time in the future. _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: How to trumpet in a post gas and oil world?
blbaumgarn wrote:
Well, from all the ecology awareness talk we hear from certain politicians over the last 30-40 years there has been no significant alternative suggested for carbon based fuels. Electric powered vehicles can make a difference. We are most likely going to be using petroleum and synthetic products on the brass we play for a long time in the future.
My vote has always been for nuclear. Seems like the best option to me.
Anyway, that's got nothing to do with valve oil. Even if a legitimate alternative fuel becomes mainstream, that doesn't eliminate petroleum from our world. _________________ Please join me as well at:
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:17 pm Post subject:
Trumpet playing is my avocation, but for nearly 40 years, chemical engineering has been by vocation. All the brass "synthetic lubricants" I know of are made from natural gas, which is, of course, fossil fuel. And natural gas is now so available due to fracking. But there are so many plastics, and other necessities in our daily lives that oil will be produced long after those who read this have gone, I am sure.
That said, however, I recently had the idea of making a "renewable" lubricant from various animal fats. I think I will make my first attempt using pork fat, and as a plus, make it smell and taste like bacon! It will also be a tasty addition to a salad! _________________ huntman10
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:31 pm Post subject:
Interestingly I was just thinking of this myself a few days ago. The production of musical instrument lubricants is ancillary to the larger oil refinement process, and trumpet oils and greases make up a tiny portion of total petroleum demand. As long as oil keeps being refined, our lubricants shouldn't be going anywhere. However, if we ever get close to using all of our known oil reserves, the law of supply and demand will make petroleum-based trumpet products cost-prohibitive. The truth is that oil is not an effectively renewable resource, and generations from now, brass players will need to find a true synthetic solution. _________________ YTR-6335HSII
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:43 am Post subject:
Just my opinion, but I doubt that any of us reading this now will still be around if/when petroleum products are eliminated. People in certain circles like to talk about discontinuing production of petroleum products, personally I don’t see it happening for MANY years, if ever.
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