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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:46 am Post subject: Real/Fake books for beginner improv student |
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What are good real/fake books for a trumpet player to learn to improvise?
Oh and what is the difference between real and fake books? |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Who do you like in terms of style? _________________ Richard
1903 Conn "The Wonder" Cornet
1943 Conn 80A Cornet |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Real/Fake books for beginner improv student |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | What are good real/fake books for a trumpet player to learn to improvise?
Oh and what is the difference between real and fake books? |
The terms "real" and "fake" are artificial. They're both the same thing, and are books that contain songs written as a lead sheets with melody and chord changes.
The most popular real books are the Hal Leonard Real Book series. The first 6 volumes are the general jazz series, with another 25+ volumes covering blues, rock, and other styles. There are other reasonable choices out there too. Bob Roetker's Fake Book (http://bobroetkerjazzguitar.yolasite.com/free-stuff.php) is free for the asking, and therefore a low-risk way to check out a real book. But if you're at a jam session, the leader is mostly going to say the next song "is on page 151 in Volume 1", and will be referring to the Hal Leonard series.
And since you talked about "learning", let me add that there are good lists out there of the more common songs you should focus on. Here are two good lists.
http://www.hopestreetmusicstudios.com/articles/100-must-know-jazz-tunes
https://www.learnjazzstandards.com/blog/50-jazz-standards-you-need-to-know/
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3329 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Real/Fake books for beginner improv student |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | What are good real/fake books for a trumpet player to learn to improvise?
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The real/fake books DON'T usually contain any 'improvised' suggestions or info about 'how to' improvise. The are just the bare bones standard intro, theme, chorus, etc. and with the chords marked (and of course those chords can be useful as the framework to improvise around).
You might also look for 'transcriptions' of various pieces 'as played' by well known musicians - that would show you how they did it.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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The Chuck Sher "Real Easy Books" are very good.
However, I would probably suggest that someone just learning to improvise invest in several volumes of the Aebersold Play-alongs that come with books containing excellent lead sheets for all the tunes in a particular volume. I would suggest starting with the "Maiden Voyage" and "Killer Joe" volumes. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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The best materials to start with are the Real Book and Aebersold play along volumes which include a CD of the rhythm section so you can practice and develop by playing along. Ear training is a big part of improvisational development and the CD's give you a context for that development. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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The OP never answered my question about what they like to listen to. So I looked through their history and found:
Quote: | Hello! Just asking for suggestions of albums, songs, and artists to listen to. I listen to things like Gordon Goodwin's stuff, The Complete Atomic Basie, Syeeda's song flute, the Moanin album, and some of Wynton's stuff. Thanks! |
_________________ Richard
1903 Conn "The Wonder" Cornet
1943 Conn 80A Cornet |
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