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EggerHaas
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 Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:33 pm Post subject: thumb hole adapter for natural trumpet for F and A |
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interested if anyone on here plays a true ( no hole) natural trumpet. Just bought an Egger Natural Trumpet from a friend of mine ( Barry Bauguess, Baroque Trumpet Shop in Wilkesboro, NC). beautiful horn, but the usual issues with F and A. Says Egger has started offering a thumb hole adapter to help with the sharp/flat issues .
Barry is ordering me one from the Egger shop in Basel CH but wondered has anybody done that , and if so, how did it turn out? Thanks, in advance for productive comments. |
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James Becker
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Though I do not claim to be an expert on natural trumpets, I have installed vent holes at the request of the late Keith Johnson, RIP. He showed me precisely where he wanted them installed and I installed them and drilled the holes. I will NOT nor provide suggestions where you want your vent, that is up to you to specify.
Let me know if you're interested in my services.
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Steve Hollahan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:58 am Post subject: Vent holes, natural trumpet |
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Many years ago, Carl Geiringer at U of Cal, Santa Barbara, showed a painting of a trumpet player running to a gig, trumpet in hand. The trumpet player also held a short pipe. Dr. Geiringer said that the small pipe was held like a cigarette and moved to tune the partials on trumpet.
Also, a painting of Gottfried Reiche shows a circular trumpet with finger covering a portion of tubing. Is their a vent hole? Subject of much speculation.
In my opinion, not realistic. To demonstrate, try holding the water key open on your trumpet and playing any music.
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EggerHaas
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply don't think Reiche's horn had holes, but checking with Barry Bauguess who has one from the Egger shop in Basel. interesting story of how that horn was "re-made" Essentially none in existence. Barry says they did incredible research on the "habitus" of Reiche ( distance between eyes) etc to come up with his overall body features, and then "back-tracked" to get the measurements of the horn and actually recreated the horn by figuring out Reiche's size etc. What he's holding is the actual Bach written Ablassen sheet music that was also perfectly painted on that painting.
Wouldn't want those "detective sleuths" coming after me...( they would make Columbo look like an idiot!!) amazing how they figured all that out. I'll let you know when Barry texts me back with whether the horn had holes,...I'm thinking he told me not,..but I could be wrong. Bob |
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EggerHaas
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| The Reiche horn did NOT have holes Only two originals in existence. Reproductions available through Egger shop in Basel.. The original Reiche horns made by the Ehe family in Nuremberg Germany. Both the Ehe and Haas family ( also nuremberg) for multiple generations made baroque horns, inclduding the Egger family in Switzerland. |
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trumpetera
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Didn't one of Altenburgs students write him a letter, talking about the fact that some players had started to drill out ventholes in order to adjust intonation, and ad security...?
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James Becker
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Vent holes, natural trumpet |
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| Steve Hollahan wrote: | | In my opinion, not realistic. To demonstrate, try holding the water key open on your trumpet and playing any music. |
Perhaps you’re not familiar with clappen keys found on rotory trumpets. Located on the main tuning slide, clappen resemble water keys with extended levers, operated by the pinky of the right hand. These extra keys, up to as many as three, are used when playing select notes in the upper register.
We’ve had rotory trumpet owners inquire about adding clappen keys to their existing instruments. I suggested they contact makers in Europe that offer these additional keys as an option. If complete assemblies can be sourced, it shouldn’t any more challenging than installing lever water keys, however vent location is critical.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Vent holes, natural trumpet |
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| Steve Hollahan wrote: |
In my opinion, not realistic. To demonstrate, try holding the water key open on your trumpet and playing any music. |
Because natural trumpets are twice as long and play further up the harmonic series compared to a modern trumpet, there is far less interference when venting a hole than there is near the bottom of the harmonic series.
Translated to playing a Bb trumpet, the first vented note is the F# above high C. Play that note and open your waterkey and see how much difference it makes compared to the F# 2 octaves down.
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