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Nixer Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:32 am Post subject: Fixing my 1 issue with the Getzen 900DLX |
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Love the horn. One complaint: the screw used to ensure the 3rd slide doesn't fall out is too loose and vibrates and works its way open while I'm playing so that it's no longer screwed in far enough to catch the flange on the end of the slide. I've had the slide fall out a few times after playing the horn.
I've thought about just putting a blob of rubber cement or something similar on the screw to hold it in place, but don't really like the idea of putting something on the surface of the horn itself.
What about one of those old Getzen plastic 3rd slide stops? I had one on my Getzen Severinson back in the 70s and 80s. Anyone know the distance between the 2 braces on the old Getzen 3rd slides those slide stops were made to fit? Would that fit the 900DLX?
If anyone has one handy and is willing to measure it I'd appreciate it. Distance on the braces of the DLX center-to-center is 3 3/4".
Thanks _________________ Getzen 900DLX Bb
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I had the same 'problem' with my Eterna since I miss that screw (never got it, bought the horn 2nd hand). I put a small chord over the 3th tuningslide ring through the space between the brace and the valve. So thight that is won't come loose during transport but loose enough to lift it over the ring for cleaning purposes.
Also you could -indeed- put some locknut locktite on the threading of the screw _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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Shifty Veteran Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2013 Posts: 250 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:54 am Post subject: |
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I think the old plastic slide stopper is an absolutely elegant feature; apparently even Getzen doesn't agree with me. š
Sad to say, the whole delrin piece is only about 3.5 inches long; the vertical braces have to be pretty close to 2.5 inches apart to work, referencing my 700.
I have the new design on my 800 cornet, and the screw behaves well. But I had that problem with the third valve pinky ring on my 700. I didn't want to mess with chemicals, so I wrapped a narrow strip of teflon tape around the end of the screw, which seems to work. _________________ Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
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Nixer Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Shifty wrote: | I wrapped a narrow strip of teflon tape around the end of the screw, which seems to work. |
That's perfect. Thanks. _________________ Getzen 900DLX Bb
Getzen Capri C
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Nixer Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Manuel de los Campos wrote: | I had the same 'problem' with my Eterna since I miss that screw (never got it, bought the horn 2nd hand). I put a small chord over the 3th tuningslide ring through the space between the brace and the valve. |
I did play around with various configurations of rubber bands, but just couldn't get them to where I didn't feel them impeding my hand/fingers. _________________ Getzen 900DLX Bb
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Have you tried applying some (thick) slide grease to the screw? That may hold it in place.
Nevermind, just read Shifty's comment...that'll work much better. _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
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Ronnman Veteran Member
Joined: 09 Aug 2019 Posts: 409 Location: SE Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Nixer - My Edwards trumpet came with small o-rings to keep the screws from backing out. Not sure if they are original since I purchased the horn used. I believe the stop screws are similar or the same as the Getzens. The o-rings have been working great.
Ron
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Nixer Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Ronnman wrote: | The o-rings have been working great.
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That should work too. Thanks. _________________ Getzen 900DLX Bb
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imccready New Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Shifty and Ronnman definitely hit the nail on the head. Both are easy, non-damaging ways to keep the screw in. I have experienced the same issues with both my horns and I did the Teflon tape with success. The o rings is certainly a more refined method. Years ago I lost my third valve slide stop screw on my Edwards, but I found my wife had a nice brass colored hair tie that I promptly took and looped over the ring and the 2nd valve slide. I actually really appreciated the mechanical assist with slide always pushing itself back in. I had the horn cleaned recently and they replaced the screw for me and my brass colored hair tie disappeared.[/url] _________________ Getzen Custom Series 3051
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I used to play a Getzen 3001 and the screw was just short enough that it was wearing in to the lip of the slide and it would catch on the screw. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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To those recommending using a thread-locking compound, I do remind that many are made to be permanent. It might take more looking but some are designed to be removable. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2349 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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The third-slide screw on my Schilke X4b used to work its way out, allowing the slide to fall off at inopportune times. I was into tropical fish at the time and had several aquariums, so I had quarter-inch air line lying around. A short piece of that tubing, around 3/16", on the screw-head side, so that the tubing was expanded over the base of the screw-head, prevented the screw from ever backing out unexpectedly. No sulfur in the clear tubing, so no issues with tarnish. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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cheiden wrote: | To those recommending using a thread-locking compound, I do remind that many are made to be permanent. It might take more looking but some are designed to be removable. |
I used locktite blue on both my sonās and my Bach stop nuts. It works great. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:28 am Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | cheiden wrote: | To those recommending using a thread-locking compound, I do remind that many are made to be permanent. It might take more looking but some are designed to be removable. |
I used locktite blue on both my sonās and my Bach stop nuts. It works great. | Perfect. Thx. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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