Best horn for the job

Schilkeguy · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:15 am Post subject:

I'm looking for a really good jazz horn for my money. I'll say 2500 as my limit. One, is that enough? Two, is the V~raptor a good jazz horn? My preference for sound is nice, bright, light, easy flowing, just all around GOOD!. Please point me in the right direction.

jophst · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:13 pm Post subject:

I'm not much of a lead or jazz player but I have played a lot of nice horns that would suit you in my opinion. Give a look at the following:

1.) Wild Thing

2.) Callet Jazz

3.) Bach 72* (lightweight) with a 43 leadpipe

Of these I prefer the Callet Jazz ... those horns play so well!! The Wild Thing plays very nicely too but the bore was way too big for my tastes. The Bach 72* will be the cheapest of the 3 but still a very solid and well responding horn!

Good luck!
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_dcstep · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:26 pm Post subject:

With a name like Schilkeguy, you've got to consider the Schilke X3, or the B1 or B6 if you want a little smaller horn.

You're right, the V-Raptor would be a good jazz/lead horn for a guy that likes a relatively small step-bore horn. I played one at ITG last May and think it's the very best horn of that ilk. Maybe if we knew more about your current equipment and what you do and don't like about that, we might be able to help you further.

Of course, I can't leave without mentioning the Selmer Paris Concept TT. If you like a large bore horn, then I think it's one of the very best for the playing situations that you mention.

Dave
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LFRoberts5 · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject:

Check out the Lawlers at:

http://www.lawlertrumpets.com/pages/1/index.htm
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jophst · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject:

Lawler's are fine horns also. I forgot to mention them ... here is one on Ebay with a light bell that may suit you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2370591167&category=16214
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bkmdano · Veteran Member Joined: 31 Oct 2002 Posts: 328

I think the Schilke and Lawler horns are great for Jazz. It depends on What type jazz you want to play. My Lawler TL6r has a wonderful warm ballad type sound. I had the screw bell added to add a brighter bell if needed or get a more orchestral sound with a Bach bell if I needed that type sound. My Schilke B5 has more of a lead big band sound. The Lawler is more open, responsive and versatile with the screw bell.

Horns are definitely a personal preference. You should try all of them before you buy.
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E.D.Lewis · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:

I would say the Schilke B1 is the way to go. If you like bigger bores then look into the X3. Smaller bores, the B6 or B7. You can't go wrong with Schilke.

Rick · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject:

Don't forget the new Tulsa Calicchios!! I once owned a Hollywood Studio 2 (1s2) and now have the pleasure of owning a Tulsa 1sZ/3RL (.468 bore). Both horns have a nice, commercial sound -- it all depends on your preference of bores -- medium large or large.

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Ask for Dave Johnson (dave@calicchio.com) or John Duda.

tom turner · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:37 pm Post subject:

Schilkeguy · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject:

Sorry I didn't post earlier, the head post was by a friend of mine. At the moment, although he is a senior in high school and is going into music, he is playing on a Bundy and a Wick 1X mouthpiece (he has huge lips). He does use plenty of air. Thanks for the replies. I suggested Schilke, Wild Thing, Callet, V-Raptor, and Stomvi Mambo. Thanks again!
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jophst · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject:

Oh gosh I'm sorry to hear that ... the almighty Bundy was my very first horn in the 6th grade before I switched to a Student Bach TR300 in the 7th grade (Woohoo!). The Bach played 3 times better than the Bundy too.

Your friend will severely like whatever he gets next to that horn!

Careful though ... the large mouthpiece may not be the best thing for a Large Bore horn.

Good Luck,
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tptguy · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:13 pm Post subject:

For lead and big band jazz, the Callet Jazz is the finest I've ever had the pleasure of playing and I have played the others mentioned. But for combo work, the Callet Stratosphere is possibly even better. Though it shares the great focus, center, and sparkling brilliance of the Jazz, the Strat is more nimble - a great horn to really "get around on". Best regards, Kyle

Jazzalive · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject:

Selmer-Paris Concept TT.

camelbrass · Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:26 am Post subject:

So many choices. For a little less money have a look at the Kanstuls (my favourite)....everything from the 1502 to the Wayne Bergeron. In the more expensive leagues all the horns suggested are excellent and it's probably just preference, try as many as you can.

Regards

Trevor

camelbrass · Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:30 am Post subject:

I just saw Tom's offer to try the WT. If you can manage it try and arrange it, I must admit that there are 2 trumpets I would love to try: the WT and Lawler (even when I go to the UK they're impossible to find).

Regards

Trevor

melikejazz · New Member Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 10

Why wouldn't a Wick 1x mouthpiece do so well on a large born horn? I do like the size......maby i could go smaller?

melikejazz · New Member Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 10

Hi, everybody, names Ivan (friend of shilkeguy or w/e).......ummm, here's why i'm in need of a GOOD jazz horn. I'm tryin to go to Berkley Music college here in about a year, and a half. I've been playin my crap bundy for o' 3 years now. I had a 'York' (?) horn 4 years before that. (eewwww) scary..yes..but there's hope. This site! right now i think i might go with the WT horn try that guy was talkin about. I would like to have two really. One that sizzles, and one that's warm and sweet (like a chicago horn, but not at that price)

trumpjosh · Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject:

2 horns (one warm, one sizzly) at 2.5k... hmm.... I think:

1. Bach 43/43
2. Bach 72/25LR (I have one and love it, but it is INDEED dark)

Should be close to your budget.

Ducking the flames,
Josh

atom_anderson · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:37 am Post subject:

The nice thing about the Wild Thing is that you can purchase slides (J slides?) that change the sound and feel to where it's like having two different, but excellent trumpets.

_gmdean · Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:55 am Post subject:

Just a thought but check out what your prof at the music collage will think you should play. There was a guy on the forum a while back having to sell whatever he was playing (a good Jazz horn if I remember correctly) because his music school were, how shall we say this? conservative.
It's not going to be a good thing if you spend a load of money on any of the great horns that have been mentioned, spend a few months adjusting to it and then find that you will only get in the band if you play a Bach 37 to match the rest of the section. If the school is open to any horn then with the sort of money you have I'd also have a play on an eclipse and a taylor. If you search the forum you will find a few good people in the US who will give you the low down on those.

Mark