Switching mouthpieces for C Trumpet

[Trumptrevol]

Do you like to switch mouthpieces when you switch to C trumpet?

I’m trying to figure out if I should get a custom piece made just for my c(25 throat, 24 backbore).

I play a stock Bach 5C on both Bb and C and I wanted to know if getting those custom adjustments will aid any difference in my playing

[Dale Proctor]

I tried a mouthpiece with a larger throat and more open backbore on my C trumpet for a while, but I found I played better on my normal mouthpiece. Maybe because that’s what I had been using for years and I was used to it?
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[chrisf3000]

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[Ed Kennedy]

Start with the 24 (Schilke Schmidt, Curry #2) backbore and open the throat gradually. I use a 5 sided broach, just like the one that Vincent Bach included with his pieces back in the day.

I have a Curry C cup (custom rim) with the #2 backbore. I opened it gradually to #25 and hit the sweet spot there.

I also have the BC model which includes the #2 backbore and larger throat. It is a deeper (B) cup. I would use it for section work.

[zaferis]

Yes, I recommend finding the best fit for each trumpet.

My recent experience is having bought a new C trumpet. I went from a 40 year old Bach CL 239 Bell with some other mods, to a new Bach CL 190229 and found I liked a slightly different setup for this instrument vs. the old one.

So, each trumpet and player combination will have a different sweet spot.
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[ECLtmpt2]

I had a neighbor that was the long-time Conn-Selmer rep for the SouthWest US. He recently moved to a retirement community in central Texas but he always claimed, with no qualifiers, the letters following the Bach numbers indicated the pitch of the horn it was cut for, ie: a Bach 3C is made for a 'C' trumpet, the 3B is for a 'Bb' trumpet, etc.

Even-though I bought a few horns from him I never bought into his claim that the letters indicated the horn key. If one of you more knowledgable persons has any idea where this theory may have originated I'd be willing to listen.

[Dave CCM/SSO]

Hello,

In my experience, the octaves can be a little compressed on C trumpet with a "standard" setup. For me, high C is flat with a 27 throat and bach style #10 backbore. I think it's safe to say that most professional orchestra players play a piece that is a little more open on C trumpet.

My recommendation would be to get your same piece with a 24 backbore. Then, if it feels a little tight or compressed still, open the throat to a 26. You can gradually open the throat until you find what works for you.

This is what works for me and many of my colleagues, obviously other people may have different results.

Good luck!
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[JayKosta]

[Don Herman rev2]

I use Flip Oakes (by Mark Curry) stock "C-trumpet" mouthpieces with my C and D/Eb horns. They have a shorter shank, larger throat, and more open backbore. For me, they help intonation and make the "feel" a little closer to my Bb.

FWIWFM - Don
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[Dale Proctor]

[Voltrane]

Wow! I cannot imagine to play my alto trombone with a Bach E trumpet mouthpiece that also fits à Piccolo trumpet. Not only the shank does not fit at all, but regarding the sound...Were the alto trombones so different at this time?
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[Andy Cooper]

An easy way to get an idea if there is a benefit would be to get a Bach 6B and a Bach 6BM on trial. OK - they are a little smaller than the 5C but you could at least see the difference that a larger #26 throat, rather than the #27, and a #24 backbore rather than a #10 makes. (The 6BM is a stock Bach model with #26/24 so no custom work is needed.)

If that ends up being promising, there are then several ways you could go including having a 5C top cut and threaded for backbores and the throat opened. (I think both Pickett and Warburton make specific backbores for C trumpet.)

[Ed Kennedy]

[Tpt_Guy]

[Andy Cooper]

[ECLtmpt2]

Thanks Jay & Dale. I appreciate the info. I always wondered whether or not that was just another tall tale.

[JWG]

My experience with different Bb and C trumpet mouthpieces involves the difference between standard and short-shanked mouthpieces.

My C trumpet feels far more nimble and responsive and plays more easily in tune with short-shank mouthpieces.

I my main Bb mouthpiece and my C trumpet mouthpiece have similar specifications except for the length of the shank (i.e., both 1.5 rim, similar medium cups, same throat size, just different backbores due to long and short shanks).

So, you may want to experiment with different shank lengths to see if you find a benefit.
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[Brassnose]

Coming back to the question of specific „C length“ mouthpieces. I’m perfectly happy with my AR Resonance pieces that I use on both Bb and C, BUT I just discovered last night that Tony at AR came out with C, D, Eb, … backbores.

So: has any of you AR players already tested the C shanks? Opinions, impressions?
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[Destructo]

Haven't tried them but I doubt Antonio would make them if he didn't think the different lengths were beneficial.[/url]