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gpessa Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:10 pm Post subject: How to learn jazz |
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Hola!
I started to play trumpet 10 years ago, I have spent no more than 1-2 hours a week on it... not enough to sounds decent.
Only recently I decided I want to improve and learn to improvvise. I will probably follow the course organized by this guy (www.learnjazzstandards.com) but for now the subscriptions are closed so I was looking for a sort of checklist of things I should learn, example:
II V I
II V I minors
Major scale
Minor scales
Chords ( 7, m, 75b, etc...)
Do you have an idea of what I need to focus on? |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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This is one of the best study guides I've ever seen.
AND IT'S FREE here on TH. https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32146 _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Get Aebersold Play-Alongs Volumes 1,2 and 54.
Maybe even Coker's little primer, "How to practice Jazz".
http://www.jazzbooks.com/
But listen voraciously to live as well recorded music.
Just remember, Jazz is an aural art. Listen and play "with your ear" as much as possible. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"Well, even if I could play like Wynton, I wouldn't play like Wynton." Chet Baker
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | But listen voraciously to live as well a recorded.
Just remember, Jazz is an aural art. Listen and play "with your ear" as much as possible. |
If you do this enough, it will naturally just start coming out of your horn. Seriously, when can hear it all in your head, stuff just happens. _________________ Richard
Today's Trumpet: 1937 Cleveland Toreador
Today's Cornet: York Eminence
Today's Mouthpieces: Cleveland T and C |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Good advice already given ... find a good method to study from.
I started out on Aebersold, volumes 1, 2, 3. There are other methods out there, but this is what I started out with. Aebersold also has a free jazz handbook, which you can download. http://www.jazzbooks.com/jazz/FQBK
As you get better, you can get into more advanced patterns. I used (and continue to use) Jerry Coker's Patterns for Jazz. Many of the preliminary patterns in Aebersold's material are based on Coker's book. So for me, it was a logical transition.
To answer your specific questions on the "checklist" ...
- Learn the basic jazz scales (dorian, dominant, blues, half-diminished, diminished whole tone, diminished, and whole tone). All of these are included in the above Aebersold volumes.
- Learn some basic patterns over the common jazz chords. Again, this is included in the above Aebersold volumes.
- Learn the more common jazz standards. I like the following list, because it also includes some easy songs to start off with at the bottom of the page. http://www.hopestreetmusicstudios.com/articles/100-must-know-jazz-tunes
- Use page 9 of the free Aebersold Jazz Handbook for guidance on how to correctly learn a jazz tune.
- Get the Hal Leonard Real Books, especially vol 1,2,3. If you want a free Real Book, you can download a pretty good one here. http://bobroetkerjazzguitar.yolasite.com/free-stuff.php
- Find some open jazz jam sessions in your area, and get out and play. Many of these sessions welcome beginners. If you're not sure, ask the organizer.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Mike Sailors Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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You need to focus on listening at first. You should be listening as much as you practice. Find people you like and try to listen to them as much as you can stand too. _________________ www.mikesailors.com |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Listen, listen, listen, and go to live shows as often as possible. My personal experoence is that listening to jazz during my 12 year trumpet layoff helped me as much as practicing. And get a teacher _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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gwood66 Veteran Member
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The book Ready, Aim, Improvise by Hal Crook has kind of tied a bunch of things together for me. You can find it used for about $30. Haven't really had time to put the theory into practice yet.
Here is a good article at Jazzadvice.com:
https://www.jazzadvice.com/jazz-improvisation-ultimate-guide
This website has a lot of great stuff.
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kfeldt Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:16 am Post subject: Re: How to learn jazz |
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gpessa wrote: |
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II V I
II V I minors
Major scale
Minor scales
Chords ( 7, m, 75b, etc...)
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I think I would take your list and reverse the order. Make sure you know your chord tones and scales first, then maybe short patterns (over one chord), and then finally longer patterns. I think for a beginning improviser, shorter patterns are more useful than long ones.
Otherwise there is a lot of good advice on this thread. Maybe the only thing I haven't seen is to work on ear training. For me, this has been very helpful, even though I don't particularly like to do it. Eventually, you need to make the connection from hearing something in your mind to getting it to come out of the horn. For me, working on my ears helps a lot with that. Some good tips on that here: https://www.jazzadvice.com/jazz-ear-training/ _________________ - Keith |
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MarkFoster New Member
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Thank you so much for all recommendations and guides! It's really valuable! |
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joshlawrencejazz Regular Member
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