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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:23 am Post subject: Rubank Books |
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Hi
I have been working out of a couple books building somewhat of a routine. How are the Rubank books for an adult trumpet player who can play out of the following books? Should I skip the elementary book or are there some good tips in there as well.
Mitchell on Trumpet V. 1
Arbans - The basic material
Carmine Caruso 6 notes
Max Schlossberg Long tones
Claude Gordon daily studies _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Rubank Books |
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Bronxgroove wrote: | Hi
I have been working out of a couple books building somewhat of a routine. How are the Rubank books for an adult trumpet player who can play out of the following books? Should I skip the elementary book or are there some good tips in there as well.
Mitchell on Trumpet V. 1
Arbans - The basic material
Carmine Caruso 6 notes
Max Schlossberg Long tones
Claude Gordon daily studies |
I started out on the Rubank books. I doubt there's much in the Elementary Book that would help you, unless you're a true beginner. But I still periodically run through the Intermediate and the two Advanced books.
In addition, Rubank's Supplemental Studies Trumpet and Selected Studies for Trumpet, both provide supplemental exercises at the intermediate and advanced levels, respectively.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Rubank Books |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | Bronxgroove wrote: | Hi
I have been working out of a couple books building somewhat of a routine. How are the Rubank books for an adult trumpet player who can play out of the following books? Should I skip the elementary book or are there some good tips in there as well.
Mitchell on Trumpet V. 1
Arbans - The basic material
Carmine Caruso 6 notes
Max Schlossberg Long tones
Claude Gordon daily studies |
I started out on the Rubank books. I doubt there's much in the Elementary Book that would help you, unless you're a true beginner. But I still periodically run through the Intermediate and the two Advanced books.
In addition, Rubank's Supplemental Studies Trumpet and Selected Studies for Trumpet, both provide supplemental exercises at the intermediate and advanced levels, respectively.
Mike |
Thanks I ordered the Intermediate book. For etudes I been using First Book of Practical Studies for Cornet and Trumpet _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:01 am Post subject: |
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I used Elementary Book 1 when I started my comeback last year after 4 years off. I had never really played out of it and didn't realize how quickly it took you to the top of the staff. It's much more challenging than the band methods I use with my group. _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: |
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mafields627 wrote: | I used Elementary Book 1 when I started my comeback last year after 4 years off. I had never really played out of it and didn't realize how quickly it took you to the top of the staff. It's much more challenging than the band methods I use with my group. |
They been around a longtime. Maybe I can find a PDF of the Elementary one. _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Mitchell is good. I have the first one still working through it. _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: |
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All of those books have material that can be used for improvement.
The key is to find the material that you find attractive and that you 'want' to play.
A very important aspect is to develop the ability to play the most simple exercises 'really well' - good sound and good timing on all the notes, not just 'get through to the end'. The tempo is not as important (unless needed for performance) as playing the notes well.
For playing 'songs', I like using the various fake books.
NONE of the books has a 'magic routine' that will somehow make you play better - you have to use the material to make yourself play better. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:29 am Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | All of those books have material that can be used for improvement.
The key is to find the material that you find attractive and that you 'want' to play.
A very important aspect is to develop the ability to play the most simple exercises 'really well' - good sound and good timing on all the notes, not just 'get through to the end'. The tempo is not as important (unless needed for performance) as playing the notes well.
For playing 'songs', I like using the various fake books.
NONE of the books has a 'magic routine' that will somehow make you play better - you have to use the material to make yourself play better. |
I agree
I have fakebooks sometimes with all the practice its hard to find time to play songs. And that's what its all about play music you love. I have more time on the weekend. _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:46 am Post subject: |
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If you are not studying with anyone -- something well worth considering -- then Mitchell on Trumpet makes the most sense. If offers balanced, progressive lessons that cover the "fundamentals" bases really well.
You can certainly put together solid routines with the other books you've mentioned, but you may not know enough at this stage to be able to put together a more useful routine than Mitchell has already done via his lessons. |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Dayton wrote: | If you are not studying with anyone -- something well worth considering -- then Mitchell on Trumpet makes the most sense. If offers balanced, progressive lessons that cover the "fundamentals" bases really well.
You can certainly put together solid routines with the other books you've mentioned, but you may not know enough at this stage to be able to put together a more useful routine than Mitchell has already done via his lessons. |
I agree I work out of that too. I try to find something in all of them. Mitchell has helped me get to the Arbans book. _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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Quadstriker Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'll add to the cadence of adults using Mitchell as a primary source. I've been working my way through the first book the last few months and have found it nice and steadily paced, the right amount of challenge and the right amount of length per "lesson". It's very balanced and I'm glad it was recommended on this forum to me earlier this year.
I've got an Arban's, but I've found that I'm not going to it very much now. I'm finding a fundamentals warmup (Greg Wing 20 Minute Routine to be exact), a little scales or Clarke technical work, my Mitchell lesson, and then whatever musical material I want to play that day is definitely enough to feel like I've gotten a good amount of time on the horn for the day as recreational player. |
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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Also Rubank Selected Duets Vol 1 & 2 Record the 2nd part with a click track
Big fun _________________ Schilke B5
Couesnon Flug (1967)
Funk Brothers Horn Section/Caruso Student |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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mafields627 wrote: | I used Elementary Book 1 when I started my comeback last year after 4 years off. I had never really played out of it and didn't realize how quickly it took you to the top of the staff. It's much more challenging than the band methods I use with my group. |
This seems pretty common with the older method books.
I started with the Edwards-Hovey book, which I still have. It gets pretty difficult in spots, relatively compared to the Standard of Excellence and the Essential Elements stuff. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Bronxgroove Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:58 am Post subject: |
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gstump wrote: | Also Rubank Selected Duets Vol 1 & 2 Record the 2nd part with a click track
Big fun |
Nice
Thanks! _________________ Yamaha YTR-8335LAII |
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