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stuartissimo
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Long tones are useful true, but honestly most of the fundamentals didn’t really do much for me until I started using the proper embouchure. Like Mike, learning not to use so much effort was a game changer for me (going from bottoming out every rehersal to having enough endurance for a 5 hour long rehersal and then some practice at home). To me, long tones are useful for refining and solidifying proper technique rather than building physical muscle strength.
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Whats helped me is to carefully limit my playing to ten minutes at a time. I mix up long tones, flow studies, tunes, scales.
I use a kitchen timer next to a dish of golf tees. When I finish ten I take a tee out of the dish. I try to get in ten sessions a day, sometimes with a practice mute to spare my wife.
Sounds I anal but it works for me.
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Post video of yourself playing.
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Thanks. I will in a review I plan to do of a new horn I’m expecting Monday.
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Bill_Bumps
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| stuartissimo wrote: | | Long tones are useful true, but honestly most of the fundamentals didn’t really do much for me until I started using the proper embouchure. Like Mike, learning not to use so much effort was a game changer for me (going from bottoming out every rehersal to having enough endurance for a 5 hour long rehersal and then some practice at home). To me, long tones are useful for refining and solidifying proper technique rather than building physical muscle strength. |
This interests me. What were the changes you made to your embouchure? |
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Hello Players
Endurance - I had a zoom lesson with Jim Manley yesterday. Before this lesson I prided myself on NOT resorting to excess effort or reliance on MORE air to play. Feedback from Jim was unequivocal - I could be playing with LESS air - a lot less. I am pretty sure this approach will help my embouchure efficiency and endurance.
Thank God for Trumpet Teachers!
Cheers and stay safe Steve in Helsinki.
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stuartissimo
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| Bill_Bumps wrote: | | This interests me. What were the changes you made to your embouchure? |
Basically the same thing that steve0930 described. All my lfe I'd been told to 'use more air' and 'belly support'. That resulted in way too much power playing, stuffing mouthpieces through my face to compensate. I'd regularly bottom out on the easy stuff, including fundamentals (and not after an hour of doing them, but at the first pass). Changing my embouchure taught me that trumpet playing is really all about finesse and efficiency, not force, and actually requires surprisingly little air. Using less effort means being able to play a lot longer (not to mention everything else got a lot better too...soft playing, slurs, range, you name it).
In short, I increased my endurance by learning to use less effort, rather than training my muscle strength.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:02 am Post subject: 19/30s |
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| Bill_Bumps wrote: | | This interests me. What were the changes you made to your embouchure? |
http://www.rustyrussell.com/1930s/1930sRev.pdf
Also Balanced Embouchure forum
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