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Janeinpa Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:04 am Post subject: Did I get taken? |
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I just bought a 1960 olds special on eBay for $225. It’s in good condition and I thought I was getting a deal, then I saw prices here that were lower. Did I get taken? Are older specials more desirable? |
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dr-pepp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Vintage horn prices are all over the place, but condition is always an important factor. If your Special is in good playing condition, I'd say that is a good price. _________________ Clay Collins
Owner, Centex Brass
www.centexbrass.com
also administrator of Olds Central
www.olds-central.com |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:09 am Post subject: |
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To the OP: no, you didn't get taken.
Many Olds enthusiasts prefer horns made in the LA factory in the 50s but the fact is the company was still making fine instruments at the Fullerton into the mid-70s.
$225 is a good price for a 1960 Olds Special, assuming it is in good condition.
In any event you don't have to worry about getting a special mouthpiece like you do with an Olds made before 1954 because those horns had a larger than standard receiver. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
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Janeinpa Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:17 am Post subject: |
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[quote="dr-pepp"]Vintage horn prices are all over the place, but condition is always an important factor. If your Special is in good playing condition, I'd say that is a good price.[/quote]
Thank you. |
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Janeinpa Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Thank you.
[quote="jhatpro"]To the OP: no, you didn't get taken.
Many Olds enthusiasts prefer horns made in the LA factory in the 50s but the fact is the company was still making fine instruments at the Fullerton into the mid-70s.
$225 is a good price for a 1960 Olds Special, assuming it is in good condition.
In any event you don't have to worry about getting a special mouthpiece like you do with an Olds made before 1954 because those horns had a larger than standard receiver.[/quote] |
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S Koons Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 125 Location: Redwood City, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:42 am Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | In any event you don't have to worry about getting a special mouthpiece like you do with an Olds made before 1954 because those horns had a larger than standard receiver. |
I knew this was for cornets. Is it true for trumpets too? I once had a 1950ish Olds Super and used regular mouthpieces- no problem.
SK |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: |
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You may be right, SK. I've had Olds trumpets in the past but I think they were late 50s so I can't say about pre-54 trumpetss. I've definitely run into the receiver issue with pre-54 cornets. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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bike&ed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Where did you see a price here that was lower than $225 for an Olds Special? All the Olds instruments currently for sale on this site appear to be far more expensive. I’d say you got a super deal, be happy! |
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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The odd Olds mouthpiece size applies to their cornets only. From serial #189611 onward, Olds cornets had standard mouthpiece receivers. That equates to sometime in 1956. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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american boy Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hey if you thought you were taken, Ill buy your Olds from you..Ill even pay you $330! |
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american boy Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Wait..$230..Im a great negotiator! |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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If you pay less than $300 for something in good condition and isn't a student horn, it's a good deal. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Janeinpa Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="american boy"]Hey if you thought you were taken, Ill buy your Olds from you..Ill even pay you $330![/quote]
Haha! |
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Janeinpa Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="american boy"]Wait..$230..Im a great negotiator![/quote]
So I know the special is not a student horn, but Im playing the Conn Director I got when I was a kid, from about 1967. I'm hoping the Olds Special is appreciably better. Is it? |
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bike&ed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think most vintage horn aficionados would agree that a Special is a higher level horn than a Director. Heck, I talked with a major symphonic player in Florida (now retired) who used a Special as his primary Bb in the orchestra! Also, the multi-material bell of the later Specials makes them among the most unique and beautiful trumpets I have seen. I had several of them years back, and still miss those beautiful bells! |
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Beyond16 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've bought two from shopgoodwill.com in the last 2 or 3 years. One for $240 and the other for $228. I still have the better of the two. The Olds Special cornets go for less. |
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Janeinpa Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:46 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Beyond16"]I've bought two from shopgoodwill.com in the last 2 or 3 years. One for $240 and the other for $228. I still have the better of the two. The Olds Special cornets go for less.[/quote]
Do you mean the Conn Director? I wouldn’t pay $100 for one, unless you mean really old ones which apparently weren’t student cornets. |
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Bryant Jordan Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, if the horn plays well and is in reasonably good shape, I don’t think you got taken. Cheers! |
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Beyond16 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Janeinpa wrote: | Beyond16 wrote: | I've bought two from shopgoodwill.com in the last 2 or 3 years. One for $240 and the other for $228. I still have the better of the two. The Olds Special cornets go for less. |
Do you mean the Conn Director? I wouldn’t pay $100 for one, unless you mean really old ones which apparently weren’t student cornets. |
Both were Olds Special trumpets, here, and here.
The second one had worn valves but the first is good. |
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Beyond16 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Fullerton Olds Special trumpet on shopgoodwill:
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