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herpderp Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:10 pm Post subject: Tuning slide- hard to get in the horn |
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My tuning slide isn't lining up perfectly when inserting it into the horn leading to some tension in the horn when I manage to insert it. Should I have a tech fix this? Am I just overthinking things? I've been doing some simple long tones on the leadpipe so every warm up it's been on my mind. |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Tuning slide- hard to get in the horn |
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herpderp wrote: | My tuning slide isn't lining up perfectly when inserting it into the horn leading to some tension in the horn when I manage to insert it. Should I have a tech fix this? Am I just overthinking things? I've been doing some simple long tones on the leadpipe so every warm up it's been on my mind. |
Yes, if you do anything to it, have a qualified and experienced tech do the adjustment. It's too easy to make matters worse, if you aren't practiced at doing such things. My opinion. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 697 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Shofarguy. If it is really hard to fit in, it often means your horn has been knocked out of alignment. Lots of stresses and potential problems from that. _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3310 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Check each leg separately - if they are a 'too easy' fit then
edit: (if aligned perfectly)
the slide can move unexpectedly while playing or being handled.
A quicky 'adjustment' to an overly loose slide is to very slightly tweak the legs so the slide isn't a 'perfect fit'.
Also, for 'perfect fit' there is quite a bit of mechanical alignment necessary - the slide tubes need to be parallel, the 'body tubes' need to be parallel, and the distances need to be the same.
If the slide can be reliably moved to the desired position, and it stays there, then there might not be any value in trying to change it. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
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Steve Hollahan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 519 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 5:55 am Post subject: T-slide fit |
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Many inexpensive horns are made with tuning slides that use tension to stay in place. If your slides move very easily with lube, this is probably the case.
The tension of misaligned slides keeps the T-slide in place. Is there a brace or just pipes and bow.
What brand is it? _________________ Steve Hollahan
Bach 37, 229 C
Yamaha 9620 D-Eb, 741 C, Flugel
Kanstul 900 piccolo trumpet
Sculptured Recrafting Custom Instrument Repair
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herpderp Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:27 am Post subject: Re: T-slide fit |
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Steve Hollahan wrote: |
What brand is it? |
It's a Selmer Radial, fairly new to me. There's a brace on the tuning slide. It's just out of parallel enough that it's challenging to insert. Each side of the slide is fitted well. |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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As others have suggested, find a tech to fix it - it's a pretty easy fix, but not one to take on yourself IMO. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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herpderp Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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In case there is anyone invested in the resolution of this story:
I had a tech fix the issue. The slide goes in perfectly and my leadpipe exercises are easier. The trumpet may play better but it may be placebo. Thanks for listening. |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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herpderp wrote: | In case there is anyone invested in the resolution of this story:
I had a tech fix the issue. The slide goes in perfectly and my leadpipe exercises are easier. The trumpet may play better but it may be placebo. Thanks for listening. |
Probably not a placebo. The first #1J tuning slide I bought from Flip Oakes had tension in the tuning slide caused from slightly undersized tubing that had caught on the reamer Flip used to correct the solder joints of his horns. Flip had to wrestle it off the reamer, which caused some minute deformation in the tubing. My horn just wouldn't slot with that slide. Flip traded it for a different slide, which played great. I still have that one. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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