Schilke 14a4a

big_trumpet09 · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject: Schilke 14a4a

I recently tried this mouthpiece. I took it and put it into the horn and without any effort whatsoever, i hit a G above high C. I find this mouthpiece to be very inappropriate.

What are your aspects on this mouthpiece??
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cmcdougall · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 725

You will love it through the honeymoon period, but it is a poor choice for most people in the long run.
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Bill Scott · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:

If you hit a G above high C, then what is inappropriate about the mouthpiece? Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

For what it's worth, the Schilke 14A4A is the mouthpiece I use when playing a cornet. I've used this size for years and I've never had a problem with sound or range. But, if it doesn't work for you, don't use it!
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MontyPythn · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject:

the 14A4A is the spawn of satan. I've seen trumpet players ruined on them. They take so much away from your sound and give a little upper register brightness and endurance that can be achieved with some faster air. I gave mine away when I came to my senses.
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Jocker · Veteran Member Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 192

If it works for you then go for it. Mouthpiece won't make your sound you do. I used 14A4a about month. Great upper register but didn't like it for all-round work.

DaveH · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Nov 2001 Posts: 3861

If we are talking about the effects of equipment on sound, then I can think of no bigger effect on sound than the mouthpiece.

From the experiences I have had personally, the horn I was playing at any given moment was by FAR less important than the mouthpiece I was using at that moment.

The only difference of significance in horns I have experienced has been the difference between student and professional line. Example, an entry level Bach (the TR300?) vs a Bach Strad. Otherwise, horns are more alike than different. But, mouthpieces are more different than alike.

A Schilke A4a is a mouthpiece designed for a specialized purpose. I do not consider it a useful mouthpiece for what might be called "general" or "all around" playing. It has a shallow cup, flat rim, and tight backbore. This is a special purpose design.

What are you trying to accomplish with a mouthpiece? My recommendation is always a middle of the road, general purpose mouthpiece that works well in just about any and all playing situations. That kind of mouthpiece will also tend to provide the optimum characteristics for facilitating all aspects of a player's skills and tone. The most important aspect of a trumpet player's skills is TONE. Choose the mouthpiece that gives you the best tone, and proper control and functioning of the embouchure. Then with that mouthpiece, work to develop other basic skills.

trickg · Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:50 am Post subject:

I own a Schilke 14A4a and it has been my standby rock band mouthpiece for about 3 and a half years. There are some things about it that I don't like regarding it's sound (I have a 14A4 on order at the moment) but overall it has proven to be a fairly comfortable mouthpiece that allows me to pound out high, loud, semi-upper register stuff for 3 sets and still have some chops at the end of the night.

Different strokes for different folks I guess, but it has been a decent mouthpiece for me. I'm not going to look at the brand and the size and scoff - I'm going to put it to my chops and if it works, it's ok in my book.
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icebraker613 · Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject:

i use my 14a41 strictly for lead jazz trumpet playing and a ska band im in. as long as you still work in the high register on your "legit" mouthpiece, i dont see the problem in using this mouthpiece.

trickg · Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:20 am Post subject:

musicmork · Heavyweight Member Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 1530

Hi Guys,

I alternate between a BACH 3-C and a Schilke 13A4A (NOT a 14A4A)

Is there much of a difference between these two Schilke mps?
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plankowner110 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 3620

13A4a and 14A4a feel very different on the lips. The rim surface of the 13 is flatter than the 14 (more rounded.)
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musicmork · Heavyweight Member Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 1530

Which is easier to hit the upper register?

The 13A4A or the 14 A4A.
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surfhorn · Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject:

I played a 13A4a for years while in college - mostly big band lead work and rock. Its was a real screamer. A speciality mpc for sure.
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cujazztrpt · Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject:

To each his own, if it works for you ,,keep it if doesn't you can mail it to myself. It could be a tool for a certain job.
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Wheeler · Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject:

This is a dumb thread. We've (you've) been over and over the pros/cons of the 14A4a time and time again. It worked for Forest Buchtel, but most around here don't seem to think much of it. Including me if that helps. If you go to the next page of forum topics, there is a huge thread on this MPC.

The original query doesn't make any sense to me despite reading it 8-10 times... It's a mouthpiece. Play it or sell it.

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Wheeler · Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:

Sorry... The thread is on pg 5.
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trickg · Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:20 am Post subject:

To an experienced player that has been around the block a time or two, I agree that this might seem like a pretty dumb thread, but when you are an advancing high school player, there is a lot of shrouded mystery where mouthpieces are concerned, specifically mouthpieces designed with lead, upper register playing in mind.

I like the 14A4a with the exception that the sound is a bit on the brittle side and doesn't have as much core as I would like. However, given the fact that I am playing in a miked, amplified situation, I don't worry about that as much as I worry about how it plays for me, and in that regard, the 14A4a has worked pretty well for me since I was about 27, although I have to say that when I was in high school, it would have made a better paper weight than a mouthpiece.

Having said all of that, I offer this advice to the younger, less experienced players wondering about this mouthpiece: don't spend money, spend time. If you have a "standard" mouthpiece that you are currently using, (7C, 5C, 3C, etc) get in the practice room and focus on your playing and your chops because you are still developing those and at this stage, the money for a specialty mouthpiece would probably be wasted. For me, I have never gained any range with a mouthpiece. The mouthpiece will make what I have a bit easier and maybe make the sound more appropriate for the playing situation, but other than adding some ease to the upper register, and maybe a bit of endurance, a shallow mouthpiece does nothing else for me.
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badebop · Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 7:33 am Post subject:

Patrick,
Did you get the 14A4? How does it compare to the 14A4a. I've been thinking about getting a 14A4?