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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jan 2018 Posts: 1022 Location: East Asia
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if this is heresy, but I've now bought a trombone, euphonium and a baritone. So much fun! I'm learning bass clef and can play the first couple of band books on both instruments. On euphonium, I can also use treble clef.
Three low brass instruments takes up about the same amount of space as 10 trumpet, so that's a little bit of an issue. |
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2021 Posts: 1009 Location: Europe
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 1:39 am Post subject: |
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3 trumpets (2 of them playable, 0 for myself), an American style cornet and a flugelhorn. And a few mouthpieces/mouthpiece parts. But I also sold a bass trumpet, so I suppose that makes it even . _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2087 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Lidl Rotary C that is so old it’s in high pitch. Just wanted a C to fool around and this thing is great. Sounds like a mixture between trumpet and flugel if you put in a deep mp, but can do the all-trumpet thing with a shallow piece as well.
If I pull out the slides a little it will play in modern pitch just fine and the only thing really is that it could stand a good cleaning and some fixing of screws that are loose and that I cannot seem to fix in their proper slots.
I may replace the original (pre WWII?) Receiver to really accept modern mouthpieces and maybe have my tech add a trigger and spit valves, but we’ll see.
Oh, I forgot: a Schagerl double trumpet backpack case (after searching for over two years this is the bag that really fits my rotary plus all the stuff I need, including lots of music) and a few mouthpieces just for fun.
Sold a couple of things, so I guess financially I’m about plus minus zero. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Klier, (Frate or Curry) |
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Shawnino Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2020 Posts: 255
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 4:27 am Post subject: |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | I don't know if this is heresy, but I've now bought a trombone, euphonium and a baritone. So much fun! I'm learning bass clef and can play the first couple of band books on both instruments. On euphonium, I can also use treble clef.
Three low brass instruments takes up about the same amount of space as 10 trumpet, so that's a little bit of an issue. |
I had a teacher who was a doctor.
Swore up and down that trumpeters should double on an instrument an octave lower, and vice versa.
Big argument was that the variance of how you attacked the mouthpiece built up stronger chops.--"you wouldn't go to the gym and do just one arm exercise on Arms Workout Day".
Secondary argument was reading a different clef made you a better sight reader, but he was much less about that. It was mostly about physiology.
I'm a believer. My embouchure is poor but it'd be worse if I didn't get out the bass cornet three days a week. |
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Johnny-Highnote Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 264 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 7:56 am Post subject: |
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ok-i know i'm sick.....
i jumped on the rotary-trumpet train with the start of corona (too much time-no gigs no rehearsals ) and i'm a collector of older horns....
all rotarys:
Windisch Dresden C -you can't get closer to a Heckel (it's "vormals F.A.Heckel" )
plays better than anything else-and it's a C...Windisch DID know something others don't.....
all B:
Bohland&Fuchs Heckel type (high pitch)
Dotzauer ( without "Meister" )
Elaton "Super" -great player -all german silver and goldbrass (waits for trigger)
Crepin David Bielefeld ( thats the shop that invented the notorious Kuhlo Horns)
Barth Stuttgart (Schediwy Type)
Lidl Brno- large bore...but stuffy as hell....
Scherzer Augsburg-not as good as expected...
A.Wolfram Sinfonia (DDR/GDR classic) great player!
Kretzschman-Migma ( little GDR shop)
Schuster (that was Markneukirchens "Conn" from 1870 to ww1)
Joh.Gotfr. Dunger ( trader-"Fortschicker" great player 11.2mm bore-145mm bell...110-120 years old but everything like new)
Ernst Leonhart Mannheim ( Heckelblech and bellshape-plays great)
Hermann Heinel (made for Leipzig /GDR conservatory...early 60's stayed in the case since 1963...pretty much new old stock 11,4mm bore 135mm bell
that thing shreds a Monke to pieces....)
nothing more than 150$ (except the windisch-these are not for cheap...) _________________ Greatings from Germany
Dennis
38b "Frankenconn" with Bauerfeind Valve block/ Yamaha 6345G /Yamaha 631/Courtois 154G / Curry+Klier 1,5 mpc`s |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2087 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 9:02 am Post subject: |
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@shawnino: I’d agree that playing low brass is quite beneficial. My embouchure and tongue control along with air flow control has become much better than when only playing trumpet. Now I just need a REALLY good bass trumpet or baritone … or tuba. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Klier, (Frate or Curry) |
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Dec 2004 Posts: 3992
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Was fortunate to come across a mint 1956 Burbank Benge and a
1948 Olds Super which needs just a little TLC...both great players! |
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dershem Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 1891 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Shawnino wrote: | HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | I don't know if this is heresy, but I've now bought a trombone, euphonium and a baritone. So much fun! I'm learning bass clef and can play the first couple of band books on both instruments. On euphonium, I can also use treble clef.
Three low brass instruments takes up about the same amount of space as 10 trumpet, so that's a little bit of an issue. |
I had a teacher who was a doctor.
Swore up and down that trumpeters should double on an instrument an octave lower, and vice versa.
Big argument was that the variance of how you attacked the mouthpiece built up stronger chops.--"you wouldn't go to the gym and do just one arm exercise on Arms Workout Day".
Secondary argument was reading a different clef made you a better sight reader, but he was much less about that. It was mostly about physiology.
I'm a believer. My embouchure is poor but it'd be worse if I didn't get out the bass cornet three days a week. |
Yep. I pay all of the brass, and each one adds something to your playing. Tuba is great for your air supply, because you can't slack off on tube and have to breathe properly. Trombone is great for your ears, because it is so easy to miss a position, or take one for granted - you have to listen to be in tune. Horn is great for your concentration, because the partials are so close together. And so on. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2353 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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I got a near-mint Bach Stradivarius 16V valve trombone during the pandemic.
I played it (in addition to trumpet and flugelhorn) at a bar gig tonight. I got paid and was invited to play next week, so I guess it all worked out. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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sounds7 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 635 Location: New Orleans
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Stomvi Mambo 5,
Warburton 235,
Constellation 38a
Yamaha Piccolo
I sold as many horns as I picked up though. One horn comes in the the door one must go out or so I tell my wife _________________ 47 Martin Committee #3
Buescher lightweight 400 228
Buescher lightweight 400 217
Taylor/Harrelson/MAW
Warburton model 235
Stomvi Mambo #5
Conn constellation 38a cor.
Courtois 301 Orchestra C
Yamaha Custom 9830 pic
Yamaha 731 /Harrelson mod |
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mak22 New Member
Joined: 23 May 2022 Posts: 1 Location: Lafayette Hill, PA
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 12:09 pm Post subject: Nothing new, but playing my old tried and true |
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Haven't picked up anything new, but it had been years since I touched my Calicchio 1S2 with copper bell..and it felt so so good! |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9076 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Disgustingly on a horn safari that, finally, just ended.
* I just want to qualify it. Excellence of the horn was not the factor. Weight was.
Adams A-1
Bach 190-37
Bach 190 Commercial
Getzen Eterna Classic
Benge 3X
Adams A-9
Yamaha Shew Z (keeper)
Conn 80-A cornet
Weibster cornet (keeper)
Adams F-1 Fluegel. (keeper)
(BTW, it's not advertised for sale, but if anyone's interested in the Benge, let me know.) _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Somewhat miraculously, all that time, and I only picked up one, a Yamaha 6335-RC ("commercial") that a dealer in Europe sold me me, somewhat under Yamaha's bizarre sales embargo 'radar' which I still don't fully understand.
It's not the first time, for years they've sold 'brass band' instruments in the UK and EU, but never offered them for sale here in the US, despite new brass brands springing up at a prodigiuous rate around the country. Just in Texas, there was one a few years ago, now we have at least six, perhaps more by the time you read this.
The horn is very much a keeper, couldn't be happier, and at a much better price even with international shipping that competitive horns sell for new in the US. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Miketpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 563 Location: Seattle, Washington USA
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yamaha YFH 635ST Flugel, the Bobby Shew predecessor.
Bach ML 180S 37 Bb
Mike |
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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2015 Posts: 902 Location: Bay Area, California
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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None, I got an X-13 a few months before the pandemic. |
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RETrumpet Veteran Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2021 Posts: 210
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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After a few years of being too busy to buy anything other than Gen 2 Xeno for a job, the pandemic gave me a lot of time to peruse what was available...
Scodwell Prototype Flugel
Getzen 800DLX Cornet
NY Bach 7/6
Mt Vernon 37/25
Couesnon Long Bell Picc
Kanstul Soprano Bugle
1899 JW Pepper Alto Cornet
I also had two horns built:
NY Bach 226 C with a Yamaha pipe
Bach 239 Eb with a Yamaha pipe
Idle hands are the devil's playground... or something like that..... _________________ Bb: FrankenBach, '72 Committee, Conn 22B, King 2070SGX
C: Bach 229-MK slide/pipe, Bach 226 with YTR-9445(2) pipe
D/Eb: Bach 239 with YTR-9636 pipe
Picc: Stomvi Master, Couesnon Monopole
Cornet: Schilke A2C, '23 Buescher
Flugel: Scodwell Prototype |
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JHirakawa Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2022 Posts: 155
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Got the 1947 Holton 48 last month for $300 (3rd from top). Picked up the 1948 Benge last spring at a local Estate sale (2nd from top). I've had the 1969 Olds Custom Crafted (top) and the 1947 Conn 22b (bottom) for a few years now.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/4_Vintage_Trumpets.jpg _________________ Kanstul FB Classic b-flat&C
'42 Buescher 205
'45 Martin Committee
'48 Chi Benge
'47 Conn 22b
'69 Olds Custom Crafted
'47 Holton 48
'64 Bach Strad Cornet
'62 Olds Spl Cornet
'64 Conn 80a
'54 Conn 34a
Benge flugel
Olds, DEG Bugles |
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JHirakawa Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2022 Posts: 155
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | I don't know if this is heresy, but I've now bought a trombone, euphonium and a baritone. So much fun! I'm learning bass clef and can play the first couple of band books on both instruments. On euphonium, I can also use treble clef.
Three low brass instruments takes up about the same amount of space as 10 trumpet, so that's a little bit of an issue. |
I got a Besson 10-10 silver trombone really cheap from Goodwill a while back. Paid less than $100 and it was in really nice condition. Alas, it was too much trouble getting used to the mouthpiece plus learning bass clef. I played a contra-bass bugle a couple of years (1970-71) so I thought it would be easier. I ended up swapping it along with an intermediate King trumpet for a Mint condition Benge 3 Flugelhorn at a local Instrument Exchange.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Benge_3_Flugelhorn.jpg _________________ Kanstul FB Classic b-flat&C
'42 Buescher 205
'45 Martin Committee
'48 Chi Benge
'47 Conn 22b
'69 Olds Custom Crafted
'47 Holton 48
'64 Bach Strad Cornet
'62 Olds Spl Cornet
'64 Conn 80a
'54 Conn 34a
Benge flugel
Olds, DEG Bugles |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2087 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sold the old Lidl C I described earlier; really pretty little horn but overall ended up having too many issues with the valves. The new owner is a pianist looking to decorate his practice room
Sold the bass trumpet due to issues with my left hand but will likely be looking for a good british baritone at some point. Really like these things and I do agree with everyone liking to double on lower brass.
Sold a couple of mouthpieces, a gigbag, and smaller gear as well. Have a Thomann MB-20 valve trombone in C for sale if anyone is interested
Pickups:
1966 Holton Collegiate cornet in awesome shape
1961 Olds Studio cornet (needs a little help before I can really test drive it)
19xx Yamaha 634 just in last night
Xxxx Yamaha 4335G just in last night
Still waiting for my brassman to finish up my C
The Getzen 940 I haven’t completely given up but the seller (a brick and mortar music store at the wrong end of the country for me) is about as responsive as said brick and mortar - the sale may not happen.
The only one I have real playtime is the Holton, the others need a little bit of attention or literally just came in, so can’t comment much on them yet.
Been eyeing an F tuba lately, but space IS an issue. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Klier, (Frate or Curry) |
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btomcik Regular Member
Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Webster, NY, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:42 am Post subject: |
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My pandemic acquisition in early 2022 was an XO 1700 picc. I really love it and enjoy playing it. It was very trying initially and I almost returned it, it was so hard to figure out, but once I got over that hurdle it's been a blast. I never played picc before so I have nothing to compare it to. _________________ Kanstul 1600 Bb
XO 1624 C
Getzen Renaissance 30 C
XO 1700 Bb/A picc
"Hit it hard, and wish it well." - CG |
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