Mouthpiece to aid in pressure from Silent Brass

O00Joe

I recently got the newest Yamaha Silent Brass and I'm in love. I've been using it to play through a Zoom MS-50G Multistomp effects pedal or my Roland JD-Xi. It's like picking up a brand new instrument because of all the new possibilities.

I've been using my trusty C Bach Stradivarius L 239/25A with Stork Vacchiano 4C25C and they work just fine but I was wondering if different mouthpiece specifications could help mitigate this extra pressure from the Silent Brass and perhaps aid in endurance.

I imagine a larger throat, larger backbore, and "C" length shank could help in this regard. An example might be a Pickett 6C with a #25 or #24 throat and #CS or #OS shank/backbore.

What do y'all think? Maybe I'm heading in the wrong direction and smaller specifications
with more focus is the way to go?

Thanks for your help.

PS. Imagine running a trumpet through an Electro-Harmonix Intelligent Harmony Machine Harmony and Pitch Shifter Pedal, you could be a one man horn line. The Zoom Multistomp has some harmonizing features but nothing with that kind of depth. My favorite Zoom effect so far is raising the input pitch 2 octaves, I can be a screamer without even trying. 😎🎺
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deleted_user_7354402 · New Member Joined: 03 Apr 1996 Posts: 0

A thought I think might be worth considering. I used to avoid practice mutes because I disliked the change afterward. It wasn’t until I took some lessons with Mr. Clean himself, Jim Wilt, and I saw him using a tight cup to play some notes in. I played around with it and realized how much more relaxed and efficient I could be, kind of working with the horn. I ended up using the Best Brass practice mute the same way. It can actually play pretty in tune across the register.

Anyway, all that to say, that the practice mute might actually help you to find the most efficient spot and approach to playing the trumpet. Changing the mouthpiece and all the components of it seems like it would be more confusing to your body.

It’s just a thought. Maybe something to consider though.

O00Joe · Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:47 am Post subject:

I'm not looking to use the silent brass as a practice tool but as a performance tool for the electronic music groups I perform with. I'm looking for a mouthpiece that may offer ease of playing and increased endurance for these gigs.
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1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68

Divitt Trumpets · Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:42 am Post subject:

Why not use a mic instead, so you don't have to fight the back pressure?
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O00Joe · Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:09 am Post subject:

I want as little of the natural sound coming through as possible. Many of the gigs we're playing pp-mf in small settings
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2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68

kehaulani · Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:37 am Post subject:

Joe, if I were just starting out, I would e using the technology a lot and this has long been an interest of mine. I also use the Silent Mute as a practice mute so understand the back pressure. I think your question implies a lot more to it than meet s the eye.

Regarding the back-pressure question, for me, the first consideration would not be moderating that but what is my aim? What kind of music do I want to produce and then what tools do I need to get there. I say that because the physical set-up you now have may be exactly what you need now.

What I'm saying, is that I see this as two questions, actually-back-pressure and how your set-up enhances your style of music.

The things generated from your mute may enhance, i.e. your enhanced flexibility. Meaning in context, is a concept of playing with the back-pressure, etc., really a detriment if your goal is not to play in an open-horn environment?
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Divitt Trumpets · Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:09 pm Post subject:

The one benefit of being entirely electric through the silent brass is that you don't have to worry about dynamics.
Play as quietly as you can and use a volume pedal to deal with projecting.
That way you don't have to push against the mute.
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O00Joe · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:21 pm Post subject:

Can't anyone help me justify dropping $130 on a Pickett 6C 25 CS? I've been wanting to try a C trumpet shank mouthpiece for years now.

Also are there any other C trumpet shank mouthpieces out there besides Warburton which is simply too expensive for a "test" mouthpiece?
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1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68

Halflip · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:32 pm Post subject:

cheiden · Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:55 pm Post subject:

There's probably a flaw in my logic but have you considered having a pickup retrofitted to your mouthpiece for the audio? Then you could use any practice mute you wanted, perhaps one with less backpressure. I'm reading that pickups are generally considered inferior and out of date but it might be worth looking into.

Here's an outfit that advertises them.
http://piezobarrel.com/
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O00Joe · Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:46 pm Post subject:

I talked to the folks at Pickett and ordered a 5C25CS, let ya'll know how it plays.
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1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68