Joined: 11 Nov 2018 Posts: 246 Location: Kansas City, MO
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:30 am Post subject:
Eric,
We are getting in a factory b-stock X13 (well two of them actually but one is for permanent shop use) in soon (I think they are shipping today). You might want to call Josh 816-410-0826 x6 to reserve it.
The X13 is an incredible horn and frankly much more suited for what you are looking to do versus the A4.
Best regards from KC!
Trent _________________ As of 1/1/2022 ACB will no longer post online here nor monitor TH.
It's a shame how far this forum has fallen. If you need us call 816-410-0826 or email.
We are getting in a factory b-stock X13 (well two of them actually but one is for permanent shop use) in soon (I think they are shipping today). You might want to call Josh 816-410-0826 x6 to reserve it.
The X13 is an incredible horn and frankly much more suited for what you are looking to do versus the A4.
@jhellerstein.
Just wondering if you had played the Bach Commercial, and if so, how do the two horns (Bach/Edwards) relate to Mariachi playing?
I believe I playtested it alongside the A4, and liked it well enough -- it didn't leave me with a negative impression or anything. But it's been a few years and I don't remember any specifics.
Of the horns I've actually lived with over the years, I'd say the Getzen Severinsen was the brightest one that I've liked, might be great for Mariachi. But for $4K you can get something more interesting :-) _________________ "When you hear music, after it's over, it's gone in the air. You can never capture it again." -- Dolphy
I finally got to try a ton of horns at TMEA today and in the end I couldn’t get myself away from the Edwards X-13.
There’s really nothing else like it that I found on the convention floor today. It’s lightweight, extremely versatile, slots effortlessly, and the valves are smooth and whisper quiet.
On top of it playing fantastically well, I was able to get a huge discount since the horn was their B-Stock model….so it was a no-brainer.
I unfortunately stumbled upon that recent thread about Trent and his staff….and while it appears some negative things were said towards ACB, my personal experience today was that they are all honest, respectful, knowledgeable trumpeters who are thrilled about helping people like me find their dream equipment.
If anyone gets a chance to play test an Edwards X-13, I’d highly recommend it. And thank you to all of the commenters who recommended the X-13. You all steered me in the right direction!
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:36 am Post subject:
ericmpena wrote:
I finally got to try a ton of horns at TMEA today and in the end I couldn’t get myself away from the Edwards X-13.
Congratulations! The X-13 is really a monster of a horn, especially if you like a full resonant "dark" sound. If i understood right you will use this trumpet for Mariachi music, am i right? I was wondering what mouthpiece you will use. Just curious. Best! _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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I finally got to try a ton of horns at TMEA today and in the end I couldn’t get myself away from the Edwards X-13.
Congratulations! The X-13 is really a monster of a horn, especially if you like a full resonant "dark" sound. If i understood right you will use this trumpet for Mariachi music, am i right? I was wondering what mouthpiece you will use. Just curious. Best!
So right now I’m using an AustinWinds mouthpiece. 685D….which is obviously .685 diameter, deep cup.
I’ll probably get into a new mouthpiece after a month or so with the Edwards. I’ve never felt 100% comfortable with the AW mouthpiece. The Austin Custom Brass NY1 mouthpiece feels great, so that’s one option that I’m considering.
I just played my first gig (outdoors) with the Edwards and so far I have a lot more confidence in my playing than my other horn. I don’t feel like I have to concentrate on playing…instead I’m able to focus on things like articulation and style.
I have 2 more gigs today, indoors thankfully so I’ll be able to hear my sound on this horn a bit better.
Trent didn’t have the sound pillars with him at TMEA, so those are being shipped to me and should arrive tomorrow. But with no pillars I think the horn sounds great. Very curious to see if I’ll hear any difference.
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:34 pm Post subject:
ericmpena wrote:
Trent didn’t have the sound pillars with him at TMEA, so those are being shipped to me and should arrive tomorrow. But with no pillars I think the horn sounds great. Very curious to see if I’ll hear any difference.
Personally i'm not crazy about the pillars. DThey do change the sound and response of the trumpet but, for me, the x-13 it's at his best with no pillars. Is just nice to have it as an extra option. I've found the best response with a Curry 5c mouthpiece on this horn, or a 5Z for a more "zingin" sound but, as you know, mouthpiece is a very personal choice.
Have fun with the X-13, probably the best horn actually in the market. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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Here's a quick video from my last gig of the night, which happened to also be the deadest sounding room of the day.
There was a sub on violin so I helped cover most of the violin parts as well as my usual trumpet parts. Typically I don't have to play THAT much in this song.
Anyways, it has a pretty mellow sound when you want it to. We were just background music here so the tone was what I wanted. I played at a nice, open wedding venue earlier in the day and the horn projected surprisingly well and sounded more like a traditional trumpet versus a dark, solo horn.
I found my chops got tired faster today, but that was probably because I was having so much fun that I didn't want to take the horn off my face!
This horn is just amazing. I'll have to get a better sounding video another time. Today I just wanted something quick so that I can be reminded of my first day with the X-13.
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:30 am Post subject:
Great sound. Love that Mariachi style it reminds me on some passages of traditional italian music (i'm italian). _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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Are we still talking about a horn that will be played predominantly in Mariachi music?
Yes. Mariachi is what I play the most. Salsa comes after that.
I hate to say "the B word" but have you tried the Bach 19043B? It's a spectacular all around horn and "they" call it the "mariachi" model. _________________ Kevin
Joined: 30 Jan 2018 Posts: 1021 Location: East Asia
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:26 pm Post subject:
Video sounds great! Congrats on the purchase. I am envious.
I'm sure there are other mariachi threads, but would love to hear as a player how you feel about playing the music on different types of instruments. I was skeptical about the "darker sound" concept, but actually I can see in mariachi you also have to blend a band, often in a small venue.
Also curious where you play. Is it mostly weddings? Restaurants? Banquets? Festivals?
Are we still talking about a horn that will be played predominantly in Mariachi music?
Yes. Mariachi is what I play the most. Salsa comes after that.
I hate to say "the B word" but have you tried the Bach 19043B? It's a spectacular all around horn and "they" call it the "mariachi" model.
I have not tried the Bach Mariachi. They're pretty tough to find and are usually prices a bit more than I'm willing to pay.
Funny enough, Austin Custom Brass had a Bach Mariachi in stock and I had asked them to take it to TMEA for me to try. When I got to TMEA I was disappointed to find out that the horn had sold a week before. Come to find out that my good friend Mike (a mariachi in San Antonio) was the one who purchased the horn from Trent. I'll have to ask him for his thoughts on it and maybe a video once he has some more time on the horn. It looks very promising though.
Video sounds great! Congrats on the purchase. I am envious.
I'm sure there are other mariachi threads, but would love to hear as a player how you feel about playing the music on different types of instruments. I was skeptical about the "darker sound" concept, but actually I can see in mariachi you also have to blend a band, often in a small venue.
Also curious where you play. Is it mostly weddings? Restaurants? Banquets? Festivals?
So for mariachi music I've found that the audience tends to prefer a darker, more blended ensemble sound as opposed to a loud, bright, sometimes piercing trumpet sound.
I've settled on my style of mariachi playing mostly based on (1) being classically trained and understanding the importance of an ensemble sound and (2) knowing what the audience finds pleasing to listen to.
Traditionally mariachi trumpet should be a brighter sound though. If I were playing in a larger mariachi group that mostly did concerts/stage performances and I had to play next to another trumpet player, I'd probably stick with something like a Bach for that tradition trumpet sound.
Most of my gigs are for a smaller sized mariachi (6 or less musicians)...and they're usually small, private events. (Weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, funerals, etc)
So that's my long way of saying that I love playing horns that are not typical in mariachi. While I lean towards a darker tone for most playing, I LOVE that the Edwards X-13 gives me more versatility and playability than any other horn I've played in the past.
I'll have to get a better recording of the horn in action. The recording I posted was literally just so I can have something to remember my first day with the horn.
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9033 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:16 am Post subject:
Raphael Mendez would be proud.
This just goes to illustrate how a different mpc and mental attitude can be a huge influence on the sound produced. Same horn, different sounds from other players.
Eric, I've got two questions:
Did you settle on a mouthpiece? I could have missed it, long thread, but curious.
You state that "My current horn is 2lb 10oz (1200 grams)". I wonder about the weight difference. How do you compare the Edward's weight to your previous horn?
Thanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
With that budget, I would get a lightly used, newer Artist model Yamaha and call it done.
Wouldn't even bother with anything else these days.
I don't know too much about Yamaha horns, but at TMEA I did try the Xeno and a Xero Artist model and actually preferred the non-Artist Xeno more.
Unfortunately I didn't get to spend a whole lot of time on the two Yamaha's since I couldn't get myself away from the Edwards X-13.
I can see why people love their Xeno's though. It was my second favorite horn next to the X-13.
I love my Yamaha NY but it wouldn't be my first pick for mariachi. X-13 sounds fantastic! I would also consider the Stomvi VR-II. _________________ Kevin
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