Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:30 am Post subject: Maurice Andre and trumpet tone
So, I'm studying trumpet tone for all around playing, and I note that when playing in a range that doesn't involve a piccolo trumpet, at least, Maurice Andre has a tone that seems erudite but not overly sweet. He also plays with relatively little vibrato, and when he does, he does the "lightly moving the horn" vibrato, not lip or breath vibrato.
He also seems to be playing with very little physical tension or effort, well, he always looks like that. But it doesn't remind me of Claude Gordon go-steel-working to build your muscles kind of playing.
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:07 am Post subject:
I don't know what your question is but here's a comment. Maurice Andre is a world class player who seems effortless and who usually leaves me, musically, cold. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
I played a selmer picc for more than 30 years. I did concerts, cantatas, etc.
I would not change the tone for other piccs easier to play.
With regards to tone if you listen récords from him from the 60ties you hear s distinct trumpet tone, and later a more mellow one.
In my opinión he usad last years more V cornety mpc, instead of the 7dw mouthpiece he claimed to use in the past. For what i know he started with a foveau couesnon V Cup when he started for big horns
I don't know what your question is but here's a comment. Maurice Andre is a world class player who seems effortless and who usually leaves me, musically, cold.
Wow. That's some serious shade. Can we please hear some of your sound clips?
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:15 pm Post subject:
Not "shading" anyone. I give him his due and I say nothing personal about him. But the effect of his playing on me is a matter of personal taste, to which I can assure you I'm qualified. Regarding how I play as a qualification for having a valid opinion, that's just absurd. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:06 pm Post subject:
kehaulani wrote:
I don't know what your question is but here's a comment. Maurice Andre is a world class player who seems effortless and who usually leaves me, musically, cold.
There should be some sort of award for this. _________________ Bill Bergren
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:24 pm Post subject:
Sarcasm aside, long ago I heard a fair share of Andre and it just never moved me. That's just the way it was. So I never really listened to him much after that. But this link from you, Billy, is nice. Thank you. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:26 pm Post subject:
kehaulani wrote:
Sarcasm aside, long ago I heard a fair share of Andre and it just never moved me. That's just the way it was. So I never really listened to him much after that. But this link from you, Billy, is nice. Thank you.
Who in that genre moves you? _________________ Bill Bergren
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:28 pm Post subject:
Just because Maurice Andre played that way doesn’t mean it will be helpful to copy his every gesture. Andre was a wonderful musician but modern playing technique has come a long way. Andre was a soloist and could play whatever he wanted however he wanted, so long as people paid for it. There are a lot of ways to play the trumpet, and some are more optimal than others. _________________ Andrew Harms, DMA
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Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:13 pm Post subject:
Billy B wrote:
Who in that genre moves you?
If you're meaning Baroque, I'm inclined to listen to players like:
Alison Balsom
Hakan Hardenberger
Ryan Anthony
Mary Elizabeth Bowden
I think Andre had also commissioned contemporary composers, and for that genre I would more likely listen to:
Matthias Höfs
David Bilger
Hardenberger (again)
Philip Smith
Sometimes you go with first impressions and, as things go, you just move on and never revisit where you came from. The first few things I listened to by Andre just didn't move me. At that time, I roomed with three other trumpeters. so i wasn't hearing in a vacuum.
I've been revisiting Andre and still don't hear, overall, the kind of dynamic variation and emotionalism that draws me in, but i hear what many appreciate in his playing. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
I have seen MA live a few times and from the outside he was a very cool, relaxed cat indeed. However, live he came a cross as someone who knows exactly what he is doing and a sympathetic person, too. I did enjoy these performances. One with just picc and organ stands out and I still see the picture before my eyes - Stadtcasino Basel about 35 years ago. Large stage, historic hall and this man standing on the stage alone playing with the organ behind him. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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I don't know what your question is but here's a comment. Maurice Andre is a world class player who seems effortless and who usually leaves me, musically, cold.
I like listening to his playing because I don't hear tension in it. I am just an amateur on trumpet, so anything I learn is an improvement, I guess.
I don't know what your question is but here's a comment. Maurice Andre is a world class player who seems effortless and who usually leaves me, musically, cold.
Wow. That's some serious shade. Can we please hear some of your sound clips?
DB
One man's opinion and he's entitled to it. No big deal. There are several big name players in the jazz world that I feel the same way about. Years ago I studied with a fairly well known professional player. Not a household name but he made and still makes a nice living playing and doing some private teaching. We fell into a conversation about jazz trumpeters and I mentioned a fairly well known name. My teacher made a face and it was obvious he didn't think much of this guy. I thought it was professional jealousy. I had never heard this particular guy play and sought out a few things to listen to. Didn't do a thing for me either. To my ear he sounded like a high school/college kid just learning to improvise. Someone else may have thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It just wasn't for me.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:57 am Post subject:
If everyone of us were in total agreement, this would be a pretty boring place to visit. I was never really into Myles Davis but millions of others were. Different strokes for different folks. And that is just fine with me. _________________ GeorgeB
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If everyone of us were in total agreement, this would be a pretty boring place to visit. I was never really into Myles Davis but millions of others were. Different strokes for different folks. And that is just fine with me.
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:54 am Post subject:
It's Miles Davis.
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You are correct, sir. _________________ GeorgeB
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I think it's kind of a shame that we hear (relatively speaking) so much of Maurice André's piccolo playing, and so little of his playing on bigger horns. I mean, his picc playing is magic also, but I think his playing on bigger horns and more contemporary repertoire show us another amazing side of his playing.
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