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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:05 pm Post subject: Light in weight but not in sound. |
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What do you consider a light-weight horn yet still retaining some depth to the sound? hanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1830 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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It's a great question but I'm not sure we necessarily agree on the definition of "depth of sound". Same problem with "core" and "bright" and "dark" and "spread".
How light?
For me a light weight horn with great "depth of sound" would be a Chicago Benge i once owned. It had a dark rich sound but with a ring to it. |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2441
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Light in weight but not in sound. |
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kehaulani wrote: | What do you consider a light-weight horn yet still retaining some depth to the sound? hanks. |
Austin Winds Stage470LT. Unfortunately Kanstul built them, so used market only now. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9028 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Both hard to get. Maybe that says something. I had a Yamaha Shew which was the lightest trumpet I've played. I heard other players sound great but I could never keep it from sounding like there was something missing. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2053 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Edwards X-13 and the lightweight version of Martin Schmidt’s Professional Line trumpets (assuming OP is not looking for a rotary). Not sure how light they are but they feel quite a bit lighter than my Bach. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2053 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Edwards X-13 and the lightweight version of Martin Schmidt’s Professional Line trumpets (assuming OP is not looking for a rotary). Not sure how light they are but they feel quite a bit lighter than my Bach. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2013 Posts: 2041 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:20 am Post subject: |
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The Edwards X-13 is the best combination of big sound and light weight I have ever played. Another horn that comes to mind is the Benge CG model. |
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Jaw04 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2015 Posts: 900 Location: Bay Area, California
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 1:28 am Post subject: |
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I think any trumpet should have "depth" to the sound. I guess it's more of a semantics argument. I don't think lighter horns lack any depth of sound per se, they just respond differently and are somewhat less "stable" than heavy horns. I would say my Yamaha 8310Z and X-13 which are somewhat light trumpets have just as much depth as Bachs and heavier horns that I have owned. But they respond differently to different approaches of playing. |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:57 am Post subject: |
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I have a bunch of pro horns in my collection and all are heavy but one, the Manchester Brass. It is light, but has a 5" bell that really produces excellent depth, and a big wide spread of sound as well. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet |
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nowave Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 453 Location: brooklyn
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:50 am Post subject: |
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The Schilke Handcraft HC2 is very light and has what I would call “depth of sound” - these terms, as mentioned, are very hard to quantify. But I think it’s worth being on your short list. |
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so what Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 617 Location: near Dallas
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:00 am Post subject: |
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The older Olds Supers were pretty light weight and have a nice big sound.
The ones I have weight between 883 and 1006 grams.
They got heavier somewhere around serial number 19000. |
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austincustombrass Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Nov 2018 Posts: 246 Location: Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:12 am Post subject: |
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X-13 and our Coppernicus come to mind.
-T _________________ As of 1/1/2022 ACB will no longer post online here nor monitor TH.
It's a shame how far this forum has fallen. If you need us call 816-410-0826 or email.
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krax Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 684 Location: Hofors, Sweden
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Leblanc Sandoval.
Its free-blowing characteristiscs and wide bell flare might be a challenge, though. |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 3832 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Light in weight but not in sound. |
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kehaulani wrote: | What do you consider a light-weight horn yet still retaining some depth to the sound? hanks. |
I had a Getzen eterna large bore with copper bell with this characteristics , very versatile horn and mpc sensitive.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
Reeves/Purviance mpcs |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7012 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Edwards X-13
Kanstul 1001
Benge/Burbank 3X+
Benge/Burbank 5X
Schilke X4
Selmer CG _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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JeffM729 Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 442 Location: Parrish, FL
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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I’ll add the following to the list.
Selmer Claude Gordon
Bach 72* |
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DickieG64 Veteran Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 114 Location: Weehawken, New Jersey
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:20 am Post subject: |
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I have two Chicago Benges that are light weight with great core. They have a great warm sound in the low register and light up in the upper register. _________________ Chicago Benge Large bore 1947
Monette B993
Taylor Flugelhorn
Kanstul -Charlie Davis pic prototype never produced
Conn 80A Cornet
Taylor Flugle Horn
Kanstul-Charlie Davis Prototype Piccolo-never produced
1946 Conn 80A cornet |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9028 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:38 am Post subject: |
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What about Bach Lightweight and Yamaha Xeno? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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Jon Arnold Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Stomvi VRII big bell lightweight |
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Beyond16 Veteran Member
Joined: 07 Jan 2020 Posts: 220 Location: Texas Gulf Coast
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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so what wrote: | The older Olds Supers were pretty light weight and have a nice big sound.
The ones I have weight between 883 and 1006 grams.
They got heavier somewhere around serial number 19000. |
More lightweight vintage horns:
I had a Besson MEHA Kanstul that weighed .885 g.
I have a Blessing ML-1 Lightweight that weighs .986 g. |
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