Check this out ...all the right stuff to get ripped off. UPD

supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2372488787&category=16214

1. Will gladly end early.
2. Bidder's ID kept secret.
3. Money order only.
4. Canada.
5. Zero feedback.
5. Valuable item...high potential...no reserve.
Well there must be more.

[ This Message was edited by: supportlivejazz on 2004-01-11 10:43 ]

jhaysom · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:34 am Post subject:

I wondered about that one too. I've asked him about the model number. We'll see what kind of reply he gives.
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supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

Let us know how it goes.... I could be wrong. I do know that offering to end early in your add on Ebay may anger the ebay gods, for sure. Kind of blatantly foolish. kpb
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_Happy Canuck · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:17 am Post subject:

John, I also asked the model and suggested that I might come and test it since he was in Ontario!!

BEWARE HE IS IN THE UK, NOT CANADA !!!

Here is the response:
Hi there

First i must tell you that i'm visiting my brother in London.Uk It is his horn i'm just helping to sell it via internet couse he dosn`t know much about computers.It is a B1 model ,if you are interested please let us know your best price that you are prepared to spend for this horn ,if the price it is ok for us we close the deal and make the deal with you.We can offer you free delivery if you agree to pay for the money transfer fees.
If you are interested please drop us a line

Respects,

Richard

wrh@cdnharris.com wrote:
What model Schilke is it? Should be on the mouthpiece receiver?

Where are you in Ontario, I'm in Toronto and might be interested in trying before I bid.

Cheers
Bill
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supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

I sent the seller an email asking about condition and model number.... Here's the reply. I share this as I think dealing with these folks is too risky and have no interest in doing so. Anyone else...go for it.

"Hi there

First i must tell you that i'm visiting my brother in London.Uk It is his horn i'm just helping to sell it via internet couse he dosn`t know much about computers.It is a B1 model ,if you are interested please let us know your best price that you are prepared to spend for this horn ,if the price it is ok for us we close the deal and make the deal with you.We can offer you free delivery if you agree to pay for the money transfer fees.The horn it is in perfect shape,no repairs have been made.Plays and sounds great.
If you are interested please drop us a line

Respects,

Richard"

I don't know what it is about Canada/UK location, but almost all the scam horns seem to have sellers who operate from these countries. Any idea why? kpb

_Happy Canuck · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:19 am Post subject:

Great Minds Think Alike!
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Olds Mendez, Recording, Super, Special & Ambassador trumpets/GR Butcher 65.6M
Olds Opera, Ambassador Shepherds Crook cornets/Sparx 4B
Olds L-12 Flug/GR Butcher 65.6FL
Schilke MII trumpet/GR Butcher 65.6M

supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

Hey...I am hurt. A form letter/email reply...no individual attention. Man, my ego is bruised. What a bust.kpb
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Olds LA Special Model Cornet

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supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

Took a chance and made an offer...here's the offer and the response.

"Kevin Burke wrote:
Well I'll buy it for $800....I'll pay any transfer fees. Because you have
zero feedback, I will buy it through ebay if you add a buy it now price and
we can use the ebay escrow service which will allow me to receive the horn
and you will receive the payment when the horn has arrived and been
inspected. kpb"

"Hi

I'm not interested in Escrow ,couse it takes to much time... we can go like this ,half in front half after you recive it ,well what you think about this ?if you don't like this i'm very sorry for wasting your time

Respects,

Richard"

HHHHMMMMM...let me think abut this...too much time...hhhmmmm ooops, time's up. NO DEAL. I love these guys. Dumb and dumber. But I'll bet they hit every once in a while. A shame. kpb

jophst · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject:

Scandalous alright! Wonder where he got the pics though! They seem legit. More than likely the auction will get pulled with his "ending the auction early" bit.

I'm gonna hold off on my $1,000,000 bid for now ... but maybe later perhaps!

HA!
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Seinman · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject:

I sent them an email offering $750 and asking to meet up and pay cash. I got the stock "I am in London" email. So I sent one back saying that's fine as I live near London (which I do). This is what I got back:

"I don't know where you can come and be good for you? But let`s wait the auction to run ,we don't know the exact price for this trumpet. Wait your e-mail."

Hmmm Interesting.

trumplyr · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject:

I have no idea if this guy is legit or not, but it's great you guys are looking out for everyone for possible scams. Good work.

Marty

jophst · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject:

Well he apparently isn't too proud of the horn ... he said he would accept $650 from me plus transfer fees ... here is a copy of the entire correspondance between me and this guy Richard ....

Hi Josh
You price it is good .Let's close this deal.First you must know that for the payment i accept Western Union money order and i will shipp you the package via UPS Air Express.Here's what you have to do.You must go to an Western Union office and make the payment on my name and address, after you made the payment people from Western Union will give you a MTC# (Money Transfer Control Number), you must mail me this number and i will check with this number at Western Union web page and if everything it's fine and you are a serious buyer i will go right away at UPS and send you the package and the tracking number from UPS in your e-mail to be able to check that the package is in your way.Thanks and i will wait your full name and address because i need to know where i must shipp the package!
This is my full name and address:
Richard Mancuso
Address:58 Boundary Road
London,E13 9PR
England

Wait your e-mail if you are interested

Richard

Joshua Stutes <jophst@cox-internet.com> wrote:
I offered $650 earlier. What forms of payment do you accept? Why are you selling the horn? I am prepared to pay transfer fees ... let me know if this is acceptable.

Thanks,

Josh

----- Original Message -----
From: richard .
To: jophst@cox-internet.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2372488787

Hi there

I'm London.Uk .It is a B1 model ,if you are interested please let me know your best price that you are prepared to spend for this horn ,if the price it is ok for me. i close the deal and make the deal with you.i can offer you free delivery if you agree to pay for the money transfer fees.I don't have any pics
If you are interested please drop us a line

Respects,

Richard

jophst@cox-internet.com wrote:
Hello ... would you accept $650 for this horn?

Thanks,

Josh

I could pay right away via PayPal ... are you in Canada or UK?? Do you have any other pics of this horn?
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Picc - Yamaha 9830 w/PVA
Flugel - Yamaha Shew 6310Z
Laskey's 68MD,68C,PIC,68F,68DB

Seinman · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject:

LOL!!

Well, I offered $750 but once I spoke about meeting up in London, he cooled off and said the price was too low. I asked how much he wanted, he said $1100.

What a scam!!

jophst · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:29 pm Post subject:

Amazing how the reverse economics work sometimes. We automatically no its a scam if he accepts a low ball figure like $650-$750, but would accept it more if he accepts in the $1000 range. I wonder how much money he wants to make total off of everyone.

I'll go ahead and email him back and offer $750 if he can rush shipping and let him know that I'll get his money out today if possible ASAP!!

uuhhmmm .. yeah right
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Picc - Yamaha 9830 w/PVA
Flugel - Yamaha Shew 6310Z
Laskey's 68MD,68C,PIC,68F,68DB

pair of kings · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:30 pm Post subject:

Joshua, why don't you tell the guy that you know Ron, and that Ron can pick up the horn and deliver the $650 for you. Meet at Richard's brother's house.

he's b.s. Same kind of e-mails I got from the guy selling Zeus for $1.

they steal pics from someone else's auction. that's so wrong.

_PhilPicc · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject:

Do you think the horn exists?
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jophst · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject:

I'm sure it is a picture of a real horn .... it just isn't his horn .. or his "brother's horn" for that matter.

I'm not going to even bother with telling him I'll have someone pick it up for me ......

I'll just bid on it like an insane mad man!!!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHA!

It's that time folks!!
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Picc - Yamaha 9830 w/PVA
Flugel - Yamaha Shew 6310Z
Laskey's 68MD,68C,PIC,68F,68DB

supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

I see someone placed a bid....There is an site address that ebay has which will allow reporting an auction that is in violation of ebay rules (end early if you offer enough), but when I try and go to it I get a page that says my "cookies" are not "enabled". WELL I BEG TO DIFFER!!! And, I checked, and they are all very enabled. If anyone else can get through, a report might get this dumped. Meanwhile I emailed the spoof@ebay.com address. The saga continues.

jophst · Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:13 pm Post subject:

Yours truly placed a bid in the amount of $1,000,000.00. Ebay should have some sort of filter that will put a red flag on this and more than likely investigate. It should correct itself in due time... bidding obscenely usually provides better results than trying to email the fraud department.
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Picc - Yamaha 9830 w/PVA
Flugel - Yamaha Shew 6310Z
Laskey's 68MD,68C,PIC,68F,68DB

supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3757

jophst...wonder if he'll wave the transfer fees and take half up front?
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1940s Blessing Artist
Olds LA Special Model Cornet

"I'm not apologizing, I am what I am. There'll be no compromising, I don't give a damn."