5C ish alternatives

[jicetp]

Hi

I currently play on Bach and GR pieces.
What are some alternatives to these in the 5C range ?

Thanks

JICe

[dbacon]

DB

[delano]

[Brassnose]

Curry 5, maybe 7
GR 65 or 66
AR Resonance M size
JK 5 (I like the USA better than the exclusive series)
Lotus 3 (sharper inner rim than the above, at least for me)
Warburton 5

Can you tell this is my size ?
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[delano]

It's not clear why you are looking for alternatives for the Bach and GR 5ish pieces.
But if it is for the sound I would recommend a Yamaha 14C4 as first choice or for a broader, more orchestral sound the Yamaha 14D4 (both are tremendous mouthpieces).
If the 14C4 is too soft/slick for your taste you could also go (what Brassnose said) for the Josef Klier USA 5C, also great and far underrated mouthpieces. Personally I would then go for the 3.8 throat option (regular is 3.6) (I own a JK3C 3.8 mouthpiece and it's great).
I have very little experience with the Bach 5C but I own a VB 5MV mouthpiece and the Yamahas 14 pieces are about the same size.
The Yamaha 14C4 is a very 'musical', lyrical mouthpiece, a joy to play.
And the JK USA mouthpieces are not the lesser Bachies but the better ones.
Took me years to be able to accept that.

[HaveTrumpetWillTravel]

The above are all great choices--Yamaha, Schilke, Curry, JK all have affordable alternatives. Part of the question is what you want that's different (rounder, more bite, etc.).

[GeorgeB]

In the first year of my comeback I played a Bach 5C. I did so for about a year and found it to be a great sounding orchestra piece. Then one night after a very difficult concert the sharp rim finally did a job on my chops and that was the end of my romance with the Bach 5C.
George
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[Brassnose]

I agree with delano in that JK are the better pieces than Bach. The rim is rounder and yes, the larger throat is nice. I occasionally play a 5A with a 3.8 mm throat for a dark, orchestral sound and it works as well as most of the more expensive pieces out there.

They are not as open as Lotus, AR, or Monette, but that may be an advantage or disadvantage, depending on your preferences.

Plus you can (I have) get them with a screw rim, so you can exchange a metal rim with a plastic rim. May be handy depending on how cold the winters in the OPs home are and how often he plays outdoors.
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[Irving]

About the JK mouthpieces. This forum is mentioning the JK USA model.

They are excellent. They come standard with a 28 hole (3.7mm is what JK calls it) or you can order one with a 25 hole (3.8mm). The backbore is much larger than a Bach, so if you are used to a standard Bach, you might want to get the standard 28 hole, and try it first. Or you can buy one of each and drill out the 28 hole one size at a time, comparing it with the 25 hole, and stop when you feel comfortable.

The rims are more like older Bach rims. There is a bite, but it is very comfortable. I have only extensively played the 1 1/4C, so I don't know if the rims are all similar, or if they change with each model.

They don't make the size I use now, so I am using a Bach. I have a JK7DW which feels bigger than a Bach 3C. I don't know if it is a mistake,but for a 3C user it would be a good mouthpiece for piccolo, or shows.

[markp]

I never played a Bach 5C, but I love my GR 65M and 65MS. GR describes their 65 series as having equivalent diameter as the Bach 5.

[delano]

Throat bores are always difficult. Curry uses a slightly wider #27 bore as standard. Most stock mouthpieces seem to have a #27 bore.
The official measurement is as far as I know:

#28=3.57 mm
#27=3.66 mm
#26=3.73 mm
#25=3.81 mm

JK gives for the USA line the choice between 3.6 mm (something in between #27 and #28 ) or 3.8 mm (a slightly smaller #25, this same bore is often used by Breslmair).

[kehaulani]

I recently got an ACB, TA-1 CS mouthpiece. It's ACB's closest to a Mt Vernon 5/6 B. Excellent. I also got a modern Bach 6B, which I might like even better. Only time will tell.

I might not play either if playing in big band but that doesn't apply right now. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I just don't know.

Back story - I haven't played Bachs since Jr. H.S., preferring, first, a Schilke 11 and then predominantly Purviance 4*D4 or 5*K4, with some side excursions to Reeves and Bush. All about the same diameter. So, I have no Bach proclivity. The Bach and ACB are slightly larger, BTW.
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[Halflip]

You might take a look at the Hammond Design 6ML. The rim is very comfortable without constraining tone or flexibility, and the cup design is very special, combining the positive characteristics of both bowl and "v" cup shapes. These come with a 25 throat as standard.
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[nieuwguyski]

Curry 600 series, 60 rim.

Reeves 42.

Those are just 5C-ish diameters -- there are a lot of different cup options (and backbore options with Reeves) to play with behind those rims.

How deep's your wallet?
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[jicetp]

Thanks for the suggestions so far.

I dont ' need ' a new mouthpiece, I want to try some new things

I currently play :

GR 65 MX for ' classical '
GR 65 M all around
Bach 5S for Big Band

I have a whole collection of Bach 5 and GR 65

I 'll gibe a try with the JK and Yamaha if I can find some cheap

Keep going with the suggestions I like them

Thanks

[Kumara999]

Hi. I use a Patrick 5.3C. Excellent piece. Sizing of a 5C but with a 3C cup sizing.

I also play an ACB 3HS - Heim v cup - this is slightly smaller than a standard 5 - .637 I think. The combination rim/cup produces a wonderful sound without hindering range.
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[zaferis]

Bach 5C's have one of the softer rims in their "standard" line up.. one of the reasons I don't like this piece for beginners especially.

As someone wrote, it depends upon what you're looking for: more sparkle, clearer articulation, faster response, bigger, smaller, etc.

I moved to Mark Curry's mouthpieces as the shape of the rim supported all the things I was looking for (the right balance of bite, contour, consistency, size, depth). Someone mentioned that the sound is not what they wanted.. I'll put out there that I sometimes don't like the full spectrum of sounds I get with these mouthpieces in the practice room, BUT (and a big "but") On stage, on the job, I don't even get a hint of this.
Love the sound, balance, playability, etc....

I think what you might be getting is a different feedback because of the different shape of his standard blank - there's a little more mass, which changes what you get at the mouthpiece end.
For my big horns, I find I prefer Curry's in a 2-piece design. (MouthpieceExpress offers them cut in a Warburton-like setup)

Have you tried a Bach 6? I find them much preferable to Bach 5's. With students I often look at Bach 7's, 6's or 3's as well as a few from other makers.
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