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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 3:09 pm Post subject: Why? |
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Why is it that playing trumpet was so easy when I played in the 60’s -and has become so hard after a 46 year layoff? I’ve been back for some years and some things I’ve become better at, but articulation seems so hard to connect back to. My tone and register is much better but I can’t get things clean. It was all so easy before and so trying now!
My frustration successfully vented for awhile.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9028 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Two things come quickly to mind:
*Effects of aging.
*Your memory may not be accurate. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Notlem Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2021 Posts: 127
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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What I have learned on my comeback is the following.
With age your teeth move, your ears get bigger, hear differently, I wear progressive glasses, and in my youth needed none.
My embrochure location moved, my lips are different, teeth structure, facial structure etc…
If we had played through all those years we did not, we would have slowly shifted to compensate, but with years of layoff we enter a journey.
In time, endurance, flexibility, volume, articulation and range come back, but the path there is not immediate nor a familiar road.
Your path back will be a journey of lightbulb moments as you connected all the new found eureka moments together.
You found your path once, you will find it again! _________________ -marc melton
48 years young
Comeback player since November 2021!
Georgetown, TX
2022 Bach 190s37 artist select
1976 Schilke X3lb
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Bethmike Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2020 Posts: 194 Location: NW of ORD
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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What marc melton said! All true.
BUT......for me, I am approaching everything with much more maturity and focused effort, and progress is pretty quick.
Mike _________________ Bach190ML43
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Notlem Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Bethmike wrote: | What marc melton said! All true.
BUT......for me, I am approaching everything with much more maturity and focused effort, and progress is pretty quick.
Mike |
Yeah! I hear you! Unfortunately I did not have your focused effort. So for that I applaud you Mike!
I looked far a teacher after one week back. I was either going to give up or needed to swallow my pride to seek professional help.
That teacher route has been with every penny!
Good journey to all!
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Notlem wrote: | Bethmike wrote: | What marc melton said! All true.
BUT......for me, I am approaching everything with much more maturity and focused effort, and progress is pretty quick.
Mike |
Yeah! I hear you! Unfortunately I did not have your focused effort.
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Immediate Forced Comeback challenges:
1. Locate instruments after 14 years of storage .
2. Getting horns cleaned up and functioning .
3. Clear the dustbunnies brought on by non musical use of certain physical and mental properties (Yeah, right! ).
4. Evaluate remaining skills (wake-up call) !
5. Rehearsal with Brass Ensemble way too soon (1 week back in) .
6. Revised evaluation of remaining skills (long list) .
7. Very public performance with Brass Ensemble (2 weeks in) (Reality explosion) .
8. Uphill battle and rollercoaster ride !
But, very glad to be back in!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Nov 2001 Posts: 3776 Location: AL
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:30 am Post subject: |
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We remember fondly what we were ABLE to do when we last played, but we have forgotten what it was like when we FIRST started playing. I teach band and even my beginners have forgotten by the end of the year what the first of the year was like.
Also, there is something to be said for the daily feedback that happens in a band class, or weekly from a teacher, that helps you to progress. _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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TheHighNotes Regular Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2022 Posts: 43 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Why? |
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Rod Haney wrote: | Why is it that playing trumpet was so easy when I played in the 60’s -and has become so hard after a 46 year layoff? I’ve been back for some years and some things I’ve become better at, but articulation seems so hard to connect back to. My tone and register is much better but I can’t get things clean. It was all so easy before and so trying now!
My frustration successfully vented for awhile.
Rod |
Likely, you enjoyed it more, and thoughtfully considered details less.
I am less than your comeback hiatus by over a decade.
I have comeback once after a horrible and depression laden incident of overuse syndrome, a second time after a dream revitalized, and now a third time, out of necessity.
Every time I come back, my standards have been raised.
You may be experiencing the same. _________________ "To have have fun, to learn, to improve. To share my perspective on how to navigate playing the trumpet to the best of my ability. To preserve and champion high art, artistic integrity, and live instrumental music."
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2053 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:09 am Post subject: |
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To be honest, I think I am a better player now than then, 35-40 years ago. My eyes have always been super bad so I am used to practice things to a level that I can almost play them off top my head, at least the important ones. My embouchure and air control are much better (though playing loud is not as easy as it used to be).
My precision is better and I have finally understood the term „intonation“ thanks to a good ensemble director. So, while power play is a little more difficult, musically playing music has improved a great deal. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:51 am Post subject: |
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All I'll say is forget how easy and how great you were on the trumpet 50 years ago. In my case I stopped at age 29 and re-started at age 79 and learned very quickly that just about everything had changed. Accept it and you will find that things will improve. In my case, I have a better understanding of the trumpet and everything connected with it.
Playing the trumpet can be lovelier the second time around ( to the tune of The Second Time Around ).
George _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
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