Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:01 pm Post subject: What pitch horn is being used here on Brandenburg 2?
I've had a picc for a while horsing around with it but just now tried to match it up to an actual performance of literature and the key doesn't seem to be working out - I'm thinking maybe I have a fundamental misunderstanding about some element of what's going on.
A performance of the Brandenburg 2 by Caleb Hudson. He's using the fingering I see for performing it in Bb - first two notes he appears to be fingering are F and C. Trying it with both my Getzen Eterna Bb/A and an eBay stencilhorn rotary picc that's supposed to be a Bb/A horn but neither will get the pitches he's playing with the fingering he's using.
What pitch picc is he using?
This is what I'm going off of. Thanks for all input.
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:35 am Post subject:
C-picc is definitely a special purpose horn. Personally, I think it really makes BB2 a lot easier to play. I've had Scherzer, Blackburn, and Schilke C-piccs. Many years ago, I tried a Yamaha. Since the horn is even smaller than your typical Bb/A picc, it does take some getting used to. Intonation can be a real struggle.
There are a lot of great recordings of BB2 with people using Bb-picc, baroque trumpet, and other keyed horns. I believe William Vacchiano first played BB2 on an F trumpet.
I think its a wonderful piece and Caleb sure makes it seem easy. _________________ Pat Shaner
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It appears to be a Yamaha YTR-9910, which is a multi-key model in C, Bb, and A.
I can tell by the fingerings used this horn is in C.
Can you clarify why the part I posted the link to says "Bb trumpet" but is pitched in F?
Why would they specify "Bb trumpet" and use the key for a C trumpet? _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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It appears to be a Yamaha YTR-9910, which is a multi-key model in C, Bb, and A.
I can tell by the fingerings used this horn is in C.
Can you clarify why the part I posted the link to says "Bb trumpet" but is pitched in F?
Why would they specify "Bb trumpet" and use the key for a C trumpet?
The link you posted is of a brass quintet arrangement, where the arranger put the piece down a whole step. IOW, it is not in the original key of concert F major (but in concert Eb major).
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:45 am Post subject:
dstpt wrote:
Robert P wrote:
Tpt_Guy wrote:
It appears to be a Yamaha YTR-9910, which is a multi-key model in C, Bb, and A.
I can tell by the fingerings used this horn is in C.
Can you clarify why the part I posted the link to says "Bb trumpet" but is pitched in F?
Why would they specify "Bb trumpet" and use the key for a C trumpet?
The link you posted is of a brass quintet arrangement, where the arranger put the piece down a whole step. IOW, it is not in the original key of concert F major (but in concert Eb major).
Hudson is using fingerings that match the quintet part because his C picc being pitched a whole step higher puts the played pitch into F concert. _________________ -Tom Hall-
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:16 am Post subject:
dstpt wrote:
The link you posted is of a brass quintet arrangement, where the arranger put the piece down a whole step. IOW, it is not in the original key of concert F major (but in concert Eb major).
Reminder that you need to cut-n-paste because TH doesn't correctly handle some valid hyperlinks. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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