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benjaminpaille New Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:04 am Post subject: New Bachs |
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Hello everyone! Does anyone have any inside scoop on when the new Bach Bb horns will be available for the general public? I’m speaking specifically about the prototypes they have been working on with Rashawn Ross and Sean Jones. Thanks so much! |
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Jay2015trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:57 am Post subject: |
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I'm intrigued to know as well. But the price point will probably be north of 4K.
Do Bach dealers have payment plans? |
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Jon Kaplan Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I mean... new Yamaha Artist series trumpets have run well over 4k for almost 20 years now (the gen I chicago was released in 2004). Nowadays a new one is about $4,900. In my humble opinion, Bach is probably well overdue for a price increase for top line models. _________________ 2nd Trumpet, Charlotte Symphony Orchestra
2nd Trumpet, Central City Opera Orchestra |
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Daniel Barenboim Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Jon Kaplan wrote: | I mean... new Yamaha Artist series trumpets have run well over 4k for almost 20 years now (the gen I chicago was released in 2004). Nowadays a new one is about $4,900. In my humble opinion, Bach is probably well overdue for a price increase for top line models. |
Let's hope not, especially since they aren't imported from Japan.
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Daniel Barenboim wrote: | Jon Kaplan wrote: | I mean... new Yamaha Artist series trumpets have run well over 4k for almost 20 years now (the gen I chicago was released in 2004). Nowadays a new one is about $4,900. In my humble opinion, Bach is probably well overdue for a price increase for top line models. |
Let's hope not, especially since they aren't imported from Japan.
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🤔 Paying a living wage in the US to manufacture the instruments probably offsets any import related expenses. |
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J. Landress Brass Veteran Member
Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 425 Location: New York City
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I hear they keep pushing back the timeline and still do not have a release date. As for prices, check out the new price for a 190 Model, $4199 MAP price. _________________ Josh Landress
J. Landress Brass, LLC.
38 West 32nd Street, STE 908, NY, NY 10001
646-922-7126
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LaTrompeta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I just bought a new 190C. I think it was about $4400 from my local dealer. _________________ Please join me as well at:
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5860 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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I've talked to the folks at Bach recently. The newly updated Bb & C instruments I've tried are going to blow everyone away. They've been working diligently on these instruments for a couple of years now and I've been told they are only a matter of a couple of months away from being put into production. They are down to working out small details like trim, finger rings, triggers, etc.
I can't wait.
I'm not sure of the price point, but it will be competitive with other professional instruments (non-boutique). _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Jay2015trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure the new horns will certainly be worth whatever the asking price is, I just wonder how long the market can sustain inflation. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Jay2015trumpet wrote: | I'm sure the new horns will certainly be worth whatever the asking price is, I just wonder how long the market can sustain inflation. |
I have no doubt that you will be able to buy both a new Bach Bb plus a new Bach C trumpet for less total cost than a new Monette Bb. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Jay2015trumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ha! Yes, that's certainly true. |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | The newly updated Bb & C instruments I've tried are going to blow everyone away. |
Ah, that is about time. I tried the ML 190/43 from a fellow trumpet player and I was not very impressed.
Beautiful build instrument but my Getzen Eterna 900 LB is a far better axe: Better valves, better projection and -to me- better sound _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Manuel de los Campos wrote: | PH wrote: | The newly updated Bb & C instruments I've tried are going to blow everyone away. |
Ah, that is about time. I tried the ML 190/43 from a fellow trumpet player and I was not very impressed.
Beautiful build instrument but my Getzen Eterna 900 LB is a far better axe: Better valves, better projection and -to me- better sound |
Unless your friend was Sean Jones, Melvin Jones, Rashawn Ross, Mike Sachs, or a small number of others we are talking about a quite different instrument. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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WFUnix Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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PH wrote: |
Unless your friend was Sean Jones, Melvin Jones, Rashawn Ross, Mike Sachs, or a small number of others we are talking about a quite different instrument. |
That's quite a lineup of artists, to say the least. Does anyone know the general specs/features of this new Bach? This thread has piqued my interest... |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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WFUnix wrote: | PH wrote: |
Unless your friend was Sean Jones, Melvin Jones, Rashawn Ross, Mike Sachs, or a small number of others we are talking about a quite different instrument. |
That's quite a lineup of artists, to say the least. Does anyone know the general specs/features of this new Bach? This thread has piqued my interest... |
From what I've seen and been told they are discontinuing many of the "new models" that were introduced in the last decade (Artisan, Commercial, Mariachi...) that weren't particularly successful. They are basically developing "new" older Bachs going back to many of the original designs of Vincent Bach but using modern digital manufacturing technology to give greater consistency, etc. It's basically a move back to what made Bach the industry standard for so many decades. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'll believe when I see it...
Just got a Gen 3 Yamaha NY and I don't see how Bach can compete with it. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
Bb: Yamaha 8310Z
C: Shires 4S/W1B
Piccolo: Yamaha 9830
Flugel: Yamaha 8315G
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LaTrompeta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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I just bought a Thein Bb and am very happy with it. I wonder how their C trumpets play. It wasn't even as expensive as you think it would be. _________________ Please join me as well at:
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I had a brand new 190-37 and it was marvelous. If they could make a lightweight one of those, they just made a sale. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:55 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | I had a brand new 190-37 and it was marvelous. If they could make a lightweight one of those, they just made a sale. |
Somewhere on TH there was a comment from someone in the know outlining some of the changes that happened over time in Elkhart from "classic Bachs." One of the was the fact that the metal in the old, prime era Bachs was thinner than the standard weight horns being made in the last 40ish years. The lightweight horns (star bell) were actually the weight of the original design that Mr. Bach created. So, the "new" horns will all be lighter in weight.
BTW, I currently play a lightweight 37 that I picked out at the factory about a decade ago. Laurie Frink also played a 37*.
(The informative comment I found was from OldSchoolEuph in the GOOD serial numbers thread. It is at the top of page 4 in that thread.) _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Pat. I'll be looking for it.
I had a Bach lighter-weight Commercial I traded a 190-37 for. But I learned that Bach's "lightweight" terminology meant "light" for a Bach, not compared to trumpets as a whole. I was looking for something more like a Benge and ideally like a Shew, but with the 190-37 sound. The Bach was neither.
I realise my case is not the normal and I just have to live with it and not have unrealistic expectations. But one can hope. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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