Next trumpet?

rhatheway · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 3:57 am Post subject: Next trumpet?

Here's a question for all of you who have played many different horns, own many different horns, play many different styles of music so know how different horns fit into different types of musical environments, etc.

I play a '68 Getzen Severinsen. I love this horn as it has a nice bright sound, is fairly lightweight, and it blows easily. It's great especially for jazz.

However, as I'm currently only playing concert music, I'm considering getting another trumpet. Something that might have a larger, more rounded, full sound as opposed to the brighter sound of the Getzen. I would imagine that might mean it should be a larger bore horn that may be brass instead of silver finish like the Getzen.

I also don't want to spend a mint, as I'm not a professional, so maybe somewhere in the $1-1.5K range at most.

I've tried an Orion OTR-411S trumpet and it isn't bad, but I don't know much about it, so not sure if it is an entry-level horn or where it falls on the continuum of horns. It's a large bore, has a nice full sound, but it definitely requires a lot more air to get a good sound out of it (due to the larger bore maybe?) than my Getzen does.

Any suggestions as to what others I should consider/try? And why? It doesn't have to be a new horn, used is just fine (and could possibly be a better horn or a better deal), so recommendations of new or used will be helpful.
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ldwoods · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 4:55 am Post subject:

Let me be the first to say it, get a Bach 37. JUST KIDDING, it drives me crazy how so many people throw that out there as the default standard recommendation. Now that we got that out of the way, let's talk serious.

I have never played the Getzen Severinsen, but from your description it sounds like my cup of tea, light, bright, nimble, responsive, lively, etc. Kind of like the older King Silver Flair, some older Yamahas, and Schilke horns. My main horn lately has been Schilke B6b.

I am a huge Schilke fan and have owned various models. I think the S22 or S32 would be very much to your liking. You may also like a Flip Oakes Wild Thing, which is my other current horn.
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rhatheway · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:01 am Post subject:

jengstrom · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:06 am Post subject:

Although I have almost zero experience with Severinsens, they have a great reputation. Before I started spending a lot of money to replace a horn that I like playing, I would consider a mouthpiece change. If you want a darker sound, try a version of your current mouthpiece with a deeper cup. Maybe a slightly bigger backbore too, if you can get it.

John
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rhatheway · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:10 am Post subject:

jondrowjf@gmail.com · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jul 2016 Posts: 711

My recommendation would be the Getzen Canadian Brass Trumpet. I felt it was more open the Getzen 900 trumpet. If you could try before you buy , it might be a good choice.
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Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank
Jupiter 9e (5 C) short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 b short shank mouthpiece

rhatheway · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Getzen canadian brass trumpet

Dayton · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 5:32 am Post subject:

Brassnose · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 6:03 am Post subject:

All kidding aside I have found that Bachs with a gold brass bell work well in a concert or orchestral setting (though I prefer the 43).

Others that might be different from your Getzen are (on my list and based on how I experienced them):

Yamaha Xeno
Conn vintage 1
Conn 6B
Yamaha 4335
Adams A4
Rotaries
Kanstul 1500A

Flugelhorns

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AR Resonance, Klier, (Frate or Curry)

Bethmike · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 6:36 am Post subject:

Manuel de los Campos · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:00 am Post subject:

Why not a Getzen Eterna 900 from 'The Dark Ages' as mr. Getzen himself called those late 80's early 90's Getzen trumpets.
These Eterna's where drifted away from the original design and lean more towards trumpets with a 37-ish bell.
You can find those trumpets easely for around $1000, like this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/126372352533?itmmeta=01HYDTE0CA1TY5MW7GBSMSFQ7E&hash=item1d6c611215:g:BlcAAOSwbLRl70c~&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8BxluqrKka3gZGIbBIBKmFBMLpfsil0S7Amc0%2B3vvzHqtlIa4m1KcDRpKGhIfW9IcNlJ%2FIf%2BXXM1h0mj9UFrFQTKRwxNQMyG2Cx4PdwAKg6tYF06Ddk7o2JoktTDWbjQI65Xq9IN%2B4zDg8tJ%2BMfQZQ3GcITPnBh8TD5OUzG3ugXntzWUwqAubAi%2FCBljwnJPG6pAYcjgSLVeXtQ6H7VREtBxwrvnwqczLOdt7DIIGzAUs3g5YDMBvHdqjimVlwx8l8oNg9LPFxI2p5XKGcSJLiJ5f521YP0ix%2FrrHrhqE2jWlghLqBKildGg57So5WlR9g%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5yGuLrzYw

Good luck!
I use one of these in our symphony orchestra
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Rhondo · Veteran Member Joined: 22 Oct 2021 Posts: 285

I’m pretty sure trying to shove a Bach down someone’s throat would be classified as assault, punishable by jail time. 🤔

ldwoods · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:10 am Post subject:

spitvalve · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:14 am Post subject:

I'll second the Getzen 700 Eterna. A little darker than the Severinsen but just as nimble. You can find them for under $1k on eBay, Reverb, or the TH marketplace. I got mine for $600 about four years ago, though it was a little beat up. $8-900 should be a reasonable price for a newer (10 yrs or less) one in good condition.
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jondrowjf@gmail.com · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jul 2016 Posts: 711

Concerning the Getzen Canadian Brass trumpet sound.I do not know if open or free blowing sound is that right term. Liked there was very little warmup,excellent articulation, flexibility, easy to play and loved the overall sound. The mouthpieces used were Bach Megatone 5B, 3C and don't remember the other one.
Decided to buy a professional trumpet, So I bought the Getzen 900 trumpet. Amazed at the sound, articulation, flexibilty. Didn't like that it took time to warm up. It sounded a little stuffy for my taste.
Then I saw, won the bid for a Getzen Canadian Brass trumpet. Compared the two trumpets and the Canadian Brass clearly won it checked all the boxes. If I didn't buy the Canadian Brass trumpet, would have keep the 900.
I am a comeback player and playing cornets exclusively.
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Current cornets and mouthpieces:
Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Blessing Scholastic cornet (waiting on delivery)
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank
Jupiter 9e (5 C) short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 b short shank mouthpiece

jondrowjf@gmail.com · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jul 2016 Posts: 711

The Getzen 700 trumpet is a excellent semi professional trumpet and is reasonable priced.But is it there much difference between the Doc Severison and the 700 trumpet?
I heard a noticeable different in sound between the 700 trumpet and the 900.
My personal experience with these three horns is the 900 and Canadian brass trumpet are worth the additional price.
Have you considered a tuneup of your trumpet by your favorite tech?
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Current cornets and mouthpieces:
Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Blessing Scholastic cornet (waiting on delivery)
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank
Jupiter 9e (5 C) short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 b short shank mouthpiece

kehaulani · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 7:55 am Post subject:

Unless you're playing in a very good semi-professional, or better, orchestra, you don't need another horn. I played a Severinson, professionally, not only in big band and commercial settings, but in wind ensembles and varied classical ensembles. Mental imagery and the right mouthpiece make a big difference.

FWIW, I used a Purviance 4*D4 for big band and commercial playing and a Schilke Model 11 for classical. YMMV.

If you're hell-bent on getting a new horn - and before this thread closes you're likely to get as many recommendations as there are people - I would get a Bach 190-37. That Beast does it all. IMO a true "Goldilocks" horn.
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rhatheway · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 8:07 am Post subject:

jondrowjf@gmail.com · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jul 2016 Posts: 711

What is the cost of a trumpet tuneup by your favorite tech?
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Current cornets and mouthpieces:
Jupiter 520 M shepherds crook cornet
Blessing Scholastic cornet (waiting on delivery)
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold short shank
Jupiter 9e (5 C) short shank mouthpiece
Getzen 4 b short shank mouthpiece

huntman10 · Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:32 am Post subject:

Here's what I recommend as a starter ng point in addition to what has been suggested.

At least 1 of all the Olds .models from the late LA and early Fullerton period.

Conns including 36B and 38 B Connstellations, 10 B and 22B Victors, with Coprion bells if you can find the.

At least one Al Hirt LeBlanc in goldplate with the silver signature.

Holton 47B and 52 LB. And all the MF Variants.

A Gen III Edwards with several bells and leadpipes.

Selmer balanced models in the various bore sizes. The the K Mods in all bore sizes, including standard and light weight.

Martin Committees from all periods and bore sizes. Maybe a Handcraft Imperial with the M in the Lion's paws.

A Taylor Chicago II Heavyweight and Lightweight.

There are some really interesting CarolBrass horns out there.

And a nice Bach ML37 Corporation bell trumpet just to see why they seem to be so reviled.

Or whatever catches your fancy next!🤓
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Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc.