Cat's out of the bag - #3 l.bore Martin on eBay

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:35 am Post subject:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2588455210&category=37977

I knew immediately when this horn was posted what it was (well, except that I didn't know it was large bore). I could tell it was a Committee.

I think this shows it's a good idea IF you do know what the horn is, to NOT contact the seller asking "Does it say Committee, blah, blah, blah,...?" for the very reason the seller may update the description (thus alerting every other potential eBay bidder, which in this case, the seller did).

If you just go ahead and take your chances (you know, do make sure to do your homework first, though) you'll probably come out ahead. But for chrisake, don't alert the seller with too much useful info!!!

I once bought a large bore Committee for under $6 once at a flea market. Sold it on eBay for over $1200. Bought a Selmer bass clarinet for next to nothing, overhauled it myself and sold for over $2000. Good deals CAN be had, but a lot of it's in the way you approach the seller - and you don't have to be dishonest either.

Dave M

wardsd · Heavyweight Member Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 504

Yes, it is a large bore, but it is significantly newer than the ones most people think of when you say "Committee". Generally, up to about 200,000 serial number are considered the "good ones". This is in the 700,000's. So, in this case, it would be important for me to know what the serial number so I could bid intelligently. I don't agee that you shouldn't ask questions for fear of giving information away.

Steve

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject:

_Daff · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Posts: 1431

What do you figure it's worth?

Waxer · Regular Member Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 26

I agree with the poster and so did W.C. Fields, who said, "never smarten up a chump." No telling where the seller got the horn. Could have bought it from some old widow for $5.00. Then with out doing any research at all puts it on ebay and starts out at $55. Original owners will tell what they know about horns. Garage sale Sh-- pickers will just buy the old shinies and try to turn a quick profit. Look how many student horns open on ebay for $400, with the sales pitch being that they sell new for $800.

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject:

"What do you figure it's worth?"

If it is indeed an Elkhart #3 large bore Martin (which I think it is), I would guess a minimum of $1000, and that's taking into consideration the few problems it has. Just a guess though.

Dave M

adieste · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:53 pm Post subject:

I own an identical Committee, #704XXX, but is stamped "L" instead of "3", with a first valve trigger. It is indeed worth at least $1000, at least in my opinion.
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Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

_Daff · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Posts: 1431

Adieste,

Was your 7xxxxx made in Elkhart? (Dave M suggested that the seller may have misread the first digit 1 as a 7)

Thanks,

Jeff

adieste · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:13 pm Post subject:

Yes...Elkhart clearly etched on bell. Currenty listed for sale in the Marketplace.
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Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

DavesTrumpet · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:37 pm Post subject:

Tim80 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 1415

adieste,
Is this your trumpet?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3700966341&category=16214

It looks nice.

Tim

adieste · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:52 am Post subject:

Yes... I feel like a father who is giving away his daughter to be married...sob.
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Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

Levermann · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:33 am Post subject:

I have the impression there is a lot of trouble with that horn for the new owner.
Missing front brace, lead pipe too near by the bell. What does it look like inside ?
I also think that the Committees were VERY inconsistent, VERY !!
I once owned a good one but I played three or four horrible ones.
So, let´s stay calm and wait until it will be sold again at ebay.

adieste · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:28 am Post subject:

I'm sure you must be talking about the horn mentioned by the original poster. The horn currently for sale on eBay has both braces intact, is clean inside and out, and has the assurances of its condition by the seller ( an honest professional trumpet player

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Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

musiclifeline · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:42 pm Post subject:

Wow, adieste, that's some horn. I take it compression is good...? I wish I could afford a beauty like that. Or more aptly, I wish I could try out a horn like that to see if it's right for me to spend my ca$h on...

adieste · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject:

I'm not a horn expert, but there is definite pop to the valves, and Flip Oakes did a quick check on it recently when I had by Benge valves aligned. He gave it a passing grade.

Too bad you're way on the other side, otherwise I'd be happy to let you take it for a spin around the block!

Looks like my eBay reserve has been met, so somebody definitely has a date for the Valentines Day party this year!
_________________
Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

adieste · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject:

I'm not a horn expert, but there is definite pop to the valves, and Flip Oakes did a quick check on it recently when I had by Benge valves aligned. He gave it a passing grade.

Too bad you're way on the other side, otherwise I'd be happy to let you take it for a spin around the block!

Looks like my eBay reserve has been met, so somebody definitely has a date for the Valentines Day party this year!
_________________
Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

Levermann · Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject:

Sorry! Sure, I was talking about the first link.
Not about the second Committee.

adieste · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that clarification. I'd hate to establisha bad reputation on TH, as I've become a bit of a fan, and certainly appreciate all of the free expert advice given here!

By the way guys and gals, the auction ends on Wednaesday. Interestingly, the current bid price is what I had originally posted in the Marketplace...oh well. ( Maybe somebody will up the ante

So much for shameless self-promotion.
_________________
Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris

adieste · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject:

Thanks for that clarification. I'd hate to establisha bad reputation on TH, as I've become a bit of a fan, and certainly appreciate all of the free expert advice given here!

By the way guys and gals, the auction ends on Wednaesday. Interestingly, the current bid price is what I had originally posted in the Marketplace...oh well. ( Maybe somebody will up the ante

So much for shameless self-promotion.
_________________
Trumpet: 1975 Benge CG, 1964 Martin Committee
Flugelhorn: 1963 and 1973 Olds L-12
Cornet: 1895 Conn Wonder, 1915 Buescher 57C
Pocket Trumpet: Funky No-Name Thing
Alto Sax: 1965 Buescher Aristocrat
Tenor Sax: 1956 Buffet Crampon Paris