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SilverSpunk Regular Member
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jeirvine Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Interesting horn either way. For what it's worth, here's a picture of Miles with a similarly engraved trumpet that is part of the "Deep Water" exhibition at MassMOCA museum. Looks like it too may have a "Miles" engraved on the bell.
_________________ 1932 King Silvertone Artist Bore
1945 Buescher 400
1946 Olds Super
1947 Olds Super Cornet
1948 Couesnon flugelhorn
1951 Olds Special
1956 Martin Committee
1964 Olds Recording
1968 Bach 329 C
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:52 am Post subject: |
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This engraving looks like it was done in the after-market.
While the engraving is impressive in its extent, it is fairly formulaic and in the wobble style that typified pre-war work. Martin presentation horns (I have a couple) typically provide a more well-defined space for the addition of the name, and do not crowd it that much. Additionally, the name is typically added after the main engraving is done, and in a distinct font/style. This dedication name is clearly done at the same time - and the original standard bell crest has been chased.
Overall, it is just stylistically primitive relative to what Martin did in the way of hand engraving at the time. Here is an example of all original hand engraving on a 1954 Martin.
http://www.trumpet-history.com/Virtual%20Museum_files/newpic078.JPG
As you can see, it is very different.
The listing also said it was offered by sale by the original owner's family, so .... _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:55 am Post subject: |
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jeirvine wrote: | Interesting horn either way. For what it's worth, here's a picture of Miles with a similarly engraved trumpet that is part of the "Deep Water" exhibition at MassMOCA museum. Looks like it too may have a "Miles" engraved on the bell.
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Now that looks like Martin engraving. Notice that it is complex, linear incision, varying in width and depth to create a surface texture - as opposed to just different widths of wobbling the graver side to side like the subject horn in the OP.
I have seen 3 variations on Miles' horns: No name, name on the side & name inside the bell flare. I've never seen that (or any artist name on a custom horn from Martin) in a traditional dedication space. (Presentation templates wouldn't be custom after all). Plus, zooming in, I am not seeing it in the photo. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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