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jhatpro
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I’ve been reading about the impact Artificial Intelligence is having on our world and can’t help wondering how AI is or will likely affect trumpet study, performance, manufacture, etc.
Any thoughts?
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Just off the top of my head, I can see where it might have profound changes for songwriting. One might come up with a great head just noodling around...feed that into a songwriting app and see what happens.
On a tangentially related note, a friend who was an assistant DA in NYC was just goofing around with ChatGPT and asked it to compose an indictment, and said it did it nearly flawlessly. |
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OldSchoolEuph
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It will probably play better than I do...
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| OldSchoolEuph wrote: | | It will probably play better than I do... |
Currently, no. The current field of AI offerings has wowed people in just about everything, except music, where demonstrations have been rather bad.
I have a suspicion, that a company like OpenAI with their chatGPT, probably haven't trained it on modern music, due to copyright reasons.
So for now, nothing has really been demonstrated. If anything, I think synthesizers could get a lot better with AI, but otherwise, I think music is rather odd in that it may seem formulaic, or obvious, but yet for some reason, even something like the AI trained on Bach, that got released some while ago, even that just felt like it was missing something.
For those who have no idea what I'm about, you can try Google's Bach harmoniser, helped with AI, to see for your selves.
https://www.google.com/doodles/celebrating-johann-sebastian-bach |
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I would ask an artificial intelligence if it is useful to practice free buzzing and with the mouthpiece. I would also like to know what it has to say about the role of the tongue in high notes.
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JayKosta
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:15 am Post subject: Re: AI and Trumpets |
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| jhatpro wrote: | I’ve been reading about the impact Artificial Intelligence is having on our world and can’t help wondering how AI is or will likely affect trumpet study, performance, manufacture, etc.
Any thoughts? |
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Basically AI 'works' by having quick access to lots of information about a subject, and being able to 'sort through' all that info to find what appears to be reliable data. Of course that all relies on having some mechanism to decide what level of confidence to associate with the info, so as to assign it a 'reliability rating'.
An often seen example of AI is weather service making long range predictions about temperature and precipitation. There are usually some '% level of likeliness' about the prediction, such as 50% chance above average.
With trumpet pedagogy having so many different views, it's not obvious that AI could easily 'pick a winner'. An AI article about trumpet pedagogy would likely just be a listing of the known options (as are typical thesis / dissertation article), but without categorizing them into 'success levels'.
For trumpet design and mfg, much of the 'special sauce' info is trade secrets and not readily available.
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kehaulani
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AI is no panacea. Can you imagine asking it how is sound produced on a trumpet? To buzz or not to buzz, that is the question.
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Here's a article I believe is AI generated. The writer appears to have zero experience playing. Rather, they read manufactures advertising and string together sentences adding irrational words of support.
Have a laugh and don't take the recommendations seriously.
https://oreliatune.com/best-trumpet/ |
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jhatpro
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Who or what wrote that flunked the Turing test.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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The best use case I can think of is some kind of app that teaches you improv. Based upon your current level, it gives you suggestions of what to do next. As far as computers making realistic music sounds, they already do that without the help of AI. Sampling technology has come a long way.
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| What about an app that can diagnose embouchure type and recommend exercises based on examples of you playing? You could probably teach an AI the Reinhart classification system and then compare your recorded sound to a library of professional players to see where you need improvement (articulation, tone, etc.). |
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| Goby wrote: | | What about an app that can diagnose embouchure type and recommend exercises based on examples of you playing? You could probably teach an AI the Reinhart classification system and then compare your recorded sound to a library of professional players to see where you need improvement (articulation, tone, etc.). |
I mean, that's an option too. Somebody would have to build it and it's not going to be me. No $$$ in it, that's the truth.
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I use my Automatic Intelligence everytime I play. In general it works just fine.
Beware of Artificial Intelligence and playing. A lot of today´s music already sounds computer generated. Completely lacking soul, rhythm, not making the strings of my heart go zing. At all.
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