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Sustained note Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 643 Location: Givat Shmuel, Israel
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:22 pm Post subject: As an amateur, I decided not practice above E, F above staff |
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I'm an amateur, not so young and on heart meds. I play in 2 community bands. I practice about an hour on days w/o rehearsals.
My high range practice has been "(not so) long tones Ascending" from Peter Bond's "The singing trumpet" (pg. 83). I find it to be excellent for this purpose. It also has plenty of rest periods.
One could take it all the way up to triple C.
Today when I started playing from it above F over the staff and higher, I felt pressure in my chest, a bit more than I was comfortable with and also felt a bit dizzy.
A sudden thought hit me.
Maybe I should be careful and for health reasons shouldn't push the limit, that is I should keep it no higher than E, F above staff.
I once needed to play up to Eb at the band (on Quincy Jones "Soul Bossa Nova") but nowadays I would never need to play this high.
I think that for amateurs, certainly those who have had heart issues (and those who had a stroke or are prone to strokes), limiting high range is wise. Definitely when you don't need it in your actual repertoire.
Anyway, this is what I'll do from now on. _________________ Michael Greenberg
Giv'at Shmuel
Israel
Trumpet: Schilke B1 (2005)
Mouthpiece: Schilke Soloiste MG1
(Marc Geujon) gold plated
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Keep a sense of humor.
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ldwoods Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 1843 Location: Lake Charles, LA
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I am struggling with endurance at this point in my "comeback". Here lately I have started really focusing on NOT going to my range limit, and it seems my range limit is gradually, ever so slowly improving.
I do lots of Clarks 1 & 2. On 1 I run through all of them, then redo some of them up one octave (only the ones I can comfortably "play" without excessive strain or mpc pressure). Also started doing a lot of the exercises in "Embouchure Builder" by Lowell Little and some of the first exercises in David Hickman's "15 Advanced Embouchure Studies". On a good day, after doing all that, I occasionally do some "Balanced Embouchure" by Jeff Smiley.
I anticipate someone will chime in with some "wisdom" like use it or lose it, but I would rather have it without undue mpc pressure so am taking it easy and it seems to be improving. _________________ Larry Woods
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:34 am Post subject: Normal Range |
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Somewhat in line with the post of Sustained note and ldwoods, Eddie Lewis spells out a “range” strategy in, “One Range,” —
https://tigermusicstore.com/product/one-range-trumpet-range-pdf-ebook/
The book is all text (no exercises) detailing a what-to-practice/when-to-practice regimen (basically using the music that you’re already practicing). There are no high notes or low notes, just the notes within your normal range, but, with a clear understanding of the concepts and fairly strict adherence to the practice schedule, your normal range will naturally expand over time.
Highly recommended for anyone in it for the long haul who is also a devoted practicer.
—Denny |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Hey Denny, thanks for the Tiger tip. Just purchased and tucked it into my forScore. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
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Bachatit Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Michael,
My first thought would not necessarily be to avoid notes above the staff but, rather, to ask myself why such limited effort is causing chest pain. Is this a question for your physician? Best, V |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:50 am Post subject: |
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If you haven't already you need to consult with your doctor. I wouldn't play another note until you do. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Hey Denny, thanks for the Tiger tip. Just purchased and tucked it into my forScore. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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ldwoods Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Sep 2004 Posts: 1843 Location: Lake Charles, LA
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Normal Range |
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Denny Schreffler wrote: | Somewhat in line with the post of Sustained note and ldwoods, Eddie Lewis spells out a “range” strategy in, “One Range,” —
https://tigermusicstore.com/product/one-range-trumpet-range-pdf-ebook/
The book is all text (no exercises) detailing a what-to-practice/when-to-practice regimen (basically using the music that you’re already practicing). There are no high notes or low notes, just the notes within your normal range, but, with a clear understanding of the concepts and fairly strict adherence to the practice schedule, your normal range will naturally expand over time.
Highly recommended for anyone in it for the long haul who is also a devoted practicer.
—Denny |
Thanks Denny. I have also used one of his books that have some exercises and find them helpful also. I stopped doing them just a few days ago so I could focus on the books I most recently acquired, the Lowell Little and David Hickman books. I think the Eddie Lewis book I use is something about a pyramid and it also explains concepts and strategies to intelligently plan one's practice. _________________ Larry Woods
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Voltrane Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 630 Location: Paris (France)
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
to the OP: you are not alone!
I was operated on April 19 for an inguinal hernia obviously due to trumpet playing (too high and too loud!) because there no other reason (except age!).
So exactly like the OP I decided that at 76, given the experience, I just need to keep a good, clear and musical range up to high E/F. Far enough.
I leave the rest to young people!
So I will change my way of practicing. And yes the books of Mr Bond and Mr Lewis, that I already own, seem appropriate to me.
Regards. _________________ S’il n’en reste qu’un je serai celui là (Victor Hugo)
Je m’empresse d’en rire de peur d’avoir à en pleurer (Beaumarchais) |
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Sustained note Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 643 Location: Givat Shmuel, Israel
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Voltrane wrote: | Hello,
to the OP: you are not alone! |
Hi Voltrane, thank you very much for your comment.
Happy practicing and playing. _________________ Michael Greenberg
Giv'at Shmuel
Israel
Trumpet: Schilke B1 (2005)
Mouthpiece: Schilke Soloiste MG1
(Marc Geujon) gold plated
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Voltrane Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:00 am Post subject: |
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you too _________________ S’il n’en reste qu’un je serai celui là (Victor Hugo)
Je m’empresse d’en rire de peur d’avoir à en pleurer (Beaumarchais) |
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