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jazzhorn04
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 Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2023 9:51 am Post subject: Solos Every Jazz Trumpet Player Should Know |
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| Title says it all. Obviously this list will contain a lot of the classics, Clifford’s Cherokee solo for example. But a more modern solo I feel should get more love is Ryan Kisor’s solo on Take The A Train with Lincoln Center. Add your own! |
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From a practical standpoint for those playing big band gigs, here's a couple you should definitely know:
The Joe Garland arrangement "In The Mood" trumpet solo (Clyde Hurley?)
Jimmy Zito's solo in Les Brown's "I've Got My Love To Keep Me Warm"
Additional essentials:
Sonny Cohn solo on Basie's "Lil' Darlin"" by Neal Hefti
Bobby Hackett solo on the Jerry Gray arr. of Miller's "A String of Pearls"
(thanks for the reminder Steve A)
(I've heard some players over the years really butcher those solos by trying to play something too far out and not stylistic.)
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Solos Every Jazz Trumpet Player Should Know:
"Moanin": Lee Morgan
"So What", Miles
"Feel So Good", Mangione
"Rise", Herb Alpert
"Sidewinder", Lee Morgan
"I'm Coming Virginia", Bix Beiderbecke
"Laura", Clifford Brown
"Up Jumped Spring", Freddie Hubbard
"Desert Moonlight", Woodie Shaw
"My Funny Valentine", Chet Baker (from Chet in Tokyo)
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This is what popped in my head:
Count Basie - Lil Darlin (I think it's Sonny Cohn playing the solo on Atomic Mr. Basie)
Duke Ellington - Take the A Train (Ray Nance)
Louis Armstrong - West End Blues
Louis Armstrong - Dinah (from the video live in Denmark)
Roy Hargrove - Strasbourg St Denis
Miles Davis - So What
Clifford Brown - Joy Spring
Freddie Hubbard - Birdlike
Chet Baker - I Fall In Love too Easily
Nat King Cole - LOVE (Bobby Bryant)
Wayne Shorter - Fee Fi Fo Fum (Freddie Hubbard)
Jazz Messengers - Moanin (Lee Morgan)
Clark Terry and Oscar Peterson - Misty (from the Greatest Jazz Concert in the World) |
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| plankowner110 wrote: | From a practical standpoint for those playing big band gigs, here's a couple you should definitely know:
The Joe Garland arrangement "In The Mood" trumpet solo (Clyde Hurley?)
Jimmy Zito's solo in Les Brown's "I've Got My Love To Keep Me Warm" |
Along the same lines, the Bobby Hackett solo from A String of Pearls probably belongs.
Similarly, both the solo and opening cadenza from Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy wouldn't be bad to know before a gig. |
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In some respects the list is endless.
Start with West End Blues. Everything that followed comes from that.
Then pick one or many from your favorite masters from all the subsequent eras. |
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Anything that lights your fire. It’s wise to start with simpler solos, but it’s not a law. Learn to play by learning solos you love by ear. Listen repeatedly. Learn to sing the solo. Learn to play along with the recording. Then, write it down if you want to do so. The writing down part is 100% optional…although it will help improve your sight reading.
The only solos everyone should know (if you want to play that kind of music) are the solos on tunes that were hits where people expect to hear that solo. String of Pearls, In the Mood, Lil Darling, April in Paris, Take a Train, Cherry Pink & Apple Blossom White,…
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In my humble opinion, Woody Shaw's solo on "It All Comes Back To You" From Live At The Village Vanguard is the greatest trumpet solo of all time. Highly melodic, but with many of those difficult technical passages he pioneered too. Wow!
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| Do you guys mean know the solos, as in, actually play the solos on the stand? I don't think anyone is going to notice on a lot of these if you deviate but stay in the stylistic pocket. In fact, the guys who PLAYED the original solos didn't repeat them as canon, I'm sure, with some exceptions like In The Mood, etc.... |
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“La Vie en Rose,” Louis Armstrong
“Ceora,” Lee Morgan
“Singing the Blues,” Bix Beiderbecke
“Sugar Blues,” Clyde McCoy
“I Can’t Get Started,” Bunny Berrigan
“And the Angels Sing,” Ziggy Ellman
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| area51recording wrote: | | Do you guys mean know the solos, as in, actually play the solos on the stand? I don't think anyone is going to notice on a lot of these if you deviate but stay in the stylistic pocket. In fact, the guys who PLAYED the original solos didn't repeat them as canon, I'm sure, with some exceptions like In The Mood, etc.... |
The way I was thinking about this topic was, memorize how the solo goes on the recording. Not necessary to have transcribed it note for note. Although they are good solos to transcribe. The solos I listed I've transcribed them all at some point but I don't have the entire Birdlike solo just in my pocket ready to go. |
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Being familiar with certain solos, memorizing them and transcribing them doesn't teach you improvisation. It just teaches you to play that particular solo note for note. I've had many players tell me that they were required to transcribe solos but that what they transcribed never translated over to what they actually played when they were soloing themselves.
The primary value in being familiar with certain solos is in hearing the stylistic concepts, scale patterns and intervals being played and then imitating and assimilating what you find useful. That being said, just remember what Miles Davis said: "Man, sometimes it takes a long time to sound like yourself."
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Did the OP ask anything about developing improvisational skills?
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Did the OP ask anything about developing improvisational skills? |
Read his post. The OP put it in the jazz forum. Jazz is improvisation, the OP referred to improvised solos and so did everyone else who posted including you. Apparently the topic of improvisation has been considered relevant by everyone who has posted. So, what is your point? We shouldn't talk about improvisational skills because the OP didn't use that exact wording? On whose authority? This is a forum for open discussion and improvisation and the development of improvisational skills are clearly relevant to both the OP's post and to the jazz forum.
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| HERMOKIWI wrote: | | kehaulani wrote: | | Did the OP ask anything about developing improvisational skills? |
Read his post. The OP put it in the jazz forum. Jazz is improvisation, the OP referred to improvised solos and so did everyone else who posted including you. Apparently the topic of improvisation has been considered relevant by everyone who has posted. So, what is your point? We shouldn't talk about improvisational skills because the OP didn't use that exact wording? On whose authority? This is a forum for open discussion and improvisation and the development of improvisational skills are clearly relevant to both the OP's post and to the jazz forum. |
Just ignore Kehaulani and you will have a better time on Trumpet Herald. |
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How condescending. Thank you for straightening me out.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Solos Every Jazz Trumpet Player Should Know |
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| jazzhorn04 wrote: | | Title says it all. Obviously this list will contain a lot of the classics, Clifford’s Cherokee solo for example. But a more modern solo I feel should get more love is Ryan Kisor’s solo on Take The A Train with Lincoln Center. Add your own! |
I fail to interpret the above as geared towards improvisation (-al skills).
The OP mentions "classics" adding a possibly new classic.
Apart from that I agree on the various suggestions put forward just wishing to add Bobby Hackets solo on American Patrol and why not the solo on Pennsylvania 6500. The solo in In the mood by Clyde Hurley already mentioned.
Then I remember playing the solo on Sugar Foot stomp after the "stop time" ad modum Louis beginning 1970s along with the other classics; my first try was Ray Nance´s take on The A train. Slurring two octaves D - D in the middle of it required well-trained lips.
Some of these solos are quite tricky - Ziggies immortal solo on And the Angels sing is tricky.
Even trickier for someone like me is this on a new version of In the mood; I am absolutely very much unable to play anything like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcoisDTvm8g
Maybe it´s possible for some of you guys?? Then it might become a new classic.....
The most of us ourselves seem to belong to the "classic" category  
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| Wendell Culley plays the famous solo on Lil Darlin'. |
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Learn them all then you will be a certified Jazz taxidermist.
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| Billy B wrote: | | Learn them all then you will be a certified Jazz taxidermist. |
So true, if all you do is play them verbatim.
On the other hand, if you take phrases from them and 'stitch them together' in new ways, then you graduate from Jazz taxidermist to . . . um . . . Jazz Frankenstein?
Just a side note: Back in the 70's, I had the privilege of seeing Woody Shaw live at the Jazz Gallery (in Milwaukee). He was excellent, but I noticed that on certain standards, he borrowed not just phrases but whole choruses from other artists whose solos I had heard on various LP's. (He would mix and match choruses from different artists who had performed the same song.) It was clear that he had studied many classic solos of his peers.
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