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Louise Finch
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| Daniel Barenboim wrote: | What is this 37M model people keep referring to? Medium bore?
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This one:
https://www.conn-selmer.eu/instruments/brass-instruments/trumpets/190m37x
All the best
Lou
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Daniel Barenboim
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Lou,
Don’t leave out the “X” people! Conductors get easily confused!
DB |
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Daniel Barenboim wrote: | | Don’t leave out the “X” people! |
Who are the X people? Are the like Oompa Loompas?
😜 It took me a moment to decipher your statement. |
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Louise Finch
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | Daniel Barenboim wrote: | | Don’t leave out the “X” people! |
Who are the X people? Are the like Oompa Loompas?
😜 It took me a moment to decipher your statement. |
I guess that he meant to say:
Don’t leave out the “X”, people.
All the best
Lou
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | Daniel Barenboim wrote: | | Don’t leave out the “X” people! |
Who are the X people? Are the like Oompa Loompas?
😜 It took me a moment to decipher your statement. |
I guess that he meant to say:
Don’t leave out the “X”, people.
All the best
Lou |
I figured out he meant the trailing X on the model number. |
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Subtropical and Subpar
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| Daniel Barenboim wrote: |
Thanks Lou,
Don’t leave out the “X” people! Conductors get easily confused!
DB |
X does mark the spot, after all.
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abontrumpet
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| a.kemp wrote: | | We’ll have no knowledge of the consistency of these new horns until Bach can manufacture enough to get them into stores. |
Precisely my point.
| a.kemp wrote: | | I’m not making any claims based on how X player, who is an Artist sounds on his/her new Bach (which has been tweaked for their liking). Not to mention, Sean Jones would sound great on any horn. |
"X player would sound great on any horn" is never a compelling sentence. Yes they would, but they don't play a cheap Bundy for a reason. An artist's choice is the compelling information in this case. I'll PM you about the tweak comment.
My point was ultimately, an artist chose a horn that wasn't a 37M or Apollo. Nothing more or less. |
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Louise Finch
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Daniel Barenboim wrote: |
Thanks Lou,
You are very welcome.
Take care and best wishes
Lou
Don’t leave out the “X” people! Conductors get easily confused!
DB |
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chef8489
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Bach models |
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| abontrumpet wrote: | | OldSchoolEuph wrote: | | "several", understood to mean more than 3, while "few" is used to mean 3 in standard colloquial speech, leaving us with an assertion of at least 4 models in the last 3 years that you are talking about. |
There is no universal rule when it comes to the usage of "few." Perhaps you could ask to what models Jabroni was referring?
| OldSchoolEuph wrote: | | Of the "new" line, the 37M and the Apollo seem to have won wide, though not universal, acclaim, even if some of the other models have reviews that are a mixed bag |
Idk, Sean Jones sounds pretty good on his not "37M and Apollo." There aren't enough "horns in hands/dealers" to give any blanket reviews of the new line. The horns I have played from Andy have been phenomenal but that's just my experience. |
Sean Jones just picked up a horn very similar to mine. When I had mine made by Bach, they made two more to make sure they turned out perfect. Sean played it about a mo th ago and fell in love with it. I can't remember which artist got the other 19072g , but he is also thrilled with it.
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chef8489
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Those are actually old videos produced before the release of the new horns and were to promote the release of the new horns. Sean picked up the new horn a month or two ago. In the videos he also plays a 72 vindabona while he is playing with Summer.
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| Quote: | | In the videos he also plays a 72 vindabona while he is playing with Summer. |
The 19072V is an awesome horn. Beautiful sound. Not as dark as I expected, and more nimble and versatile than I had imagined. |
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Sean helped us develop both the 19072V and the 190L65GV. He plays both both models (although mostly plays the 72). If you watch some of the other videos from the “Connection Sessions” series he is playing the 72V. I think Up, Over and Out is the 72 and Boperation is the 65. |
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chef8489
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| AndyLott wrote: |
Sean helped us develop both the 19072V and the 190L65GV. He plays both both models (although mostly plays the 72). If you watch some of the other videos from the “Connection Sessions” series he is playing the 72V. I think Up, Over and Out is the 72 and Boperation is the 65. |
Andy, I still need to get a vindabona slide for my 72g.
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Jon Arnold
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[quote="AndyLott"][quote="Jon Arnold"]From the youtube videos I watched recently, Sean is playing on a vindabona bore 65G and sounds great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1sV4zgBWYM[/quote]
Sean helped us develop both the 19072V and the 190L65GV. He plays both both models (although mostly plays the 72). If you watch some of the other videos from the “Connection Sessions” series he is playing the 72V. I think Up, Over and Out is the 72 and Boperation is the 65.[/quote]
Well, he sounds great on both models. Thanks for the clarification, Andy. |
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Jabroni
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| Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:39 pm Post subject: What about the new Bach rep? |
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| So again, why did Bach rehire the old rep who was considered to be a problem? |
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Aj
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Back to the 37x….
Is this bell just a rebranded Artisan AB190 Bell which I was told was between a 37 and a 43?
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| Aj wrote: | Back to the 37x….
Is this bell just a rebranded Artisan AB190 Bell which I was told was between a 37 and a 43? |
No. Andy knows the provenance, but my impression is that it’s the 37 bell the way Vincent made them rather than what it had devolved into over time. From the website:
"The Mt. Vernon weight, side seam #37 bell in yellow brass features a true French bead, made with techniques and materials not used since the 1950s."
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| PH wrote: |
"The Mt. Vernon weight, side seam #37 bell in yellow brass features a true French bead, made with techniques and materials not used since the 1950s." |
Interesting. So it was my understanding that materials used in bells in the 1950s were thinner? Some have said the lightweight bells are closer to the vintage bell thickness? Were there French beads on the Bach bells in the 50s?
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| Aj wrote: | | PH wrote: |
"The Mt. Vernon weight, side seam #37 bell in yellow brass features a true French bead, made with techniques and materials not used since the 1950s." |
Interesting. So it was my understanding that materials used in bells in the 1950s were thinner? Some have said the lightweight bells are closer to the vintage bell thickness? Were their French beads on the Bach bells in the 50s? |
I believe the answer to your questions are all “yes.”
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