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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:39 pm Post subject: Help me with question about "efficiency" of a horn |
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I got this correspondence and am not quite sure what it means. Can you help me in dummy-downed terms? Thanks, K-
"These horns are still a horn more preferred by efficient players of course.
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"Efficiency" in this context almost certainly means "maximum output with minimum input."
Would this happen to refer to smaller-bore trumpets?
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| nieuwguyski wrote: | | Would this happen to refer to smaller-bore trumpets? |
No.
""Efficiency" in this context almost certainly means "maximum output with minimum input."
Isn't this what we all strive for? Would it refer, then, to those who are more successful than others? Is this another way of saying, "The better you are, the better it works", LOL?
Or, would it imply that some horns are more forgiving yhan others?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Or, would it imply that some horns are more forgiving than others? |
Or would it imply that some horns are better suited to you?
You have your idea what a trumpet should sound like. You can get that sound with any trumpet; it's a little harder with some and a little easier with others.
I have sold a number of horns because it was too tiring to get my sound out of them.
YMMV,
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Help me with question about "efficiency" of a |
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| kehaulani wrote: | ...
"These horns are still a horn more preferred by efficient players of course. |
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"preferred by" who and why
It might mean that the horn requires quite a bit of effort to play it - maybe very 'free blowing', requires a lot of air, etc.
So those who are 'efficient players' might have the skills and ability to successfully use such a horn - but other players would find the horn difficult to manage.
If the word choice indicated that the horn itself was efficient, that would change the meaning. But 'as written' it seems to refer more to the efficiency of the player than to the horn. And is it really about efficiency or ability?
All depends on how precisely the author chose the words, and whether the words were used in an understandable manner.
Makes me wonder about the horn being preferred by an 'efficient player' or by a 'strong player'
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kehaulani
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Help me with question about "efficiency" of a |
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| JayKosta wrote: | | Makes me wonder about the horn being preferred by an 'efficient player' or by a 'strong player' |
The horn is a Yamaha Bobby Shew II.
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| For me, the more "efficient" the horn is, the more I can, and need to back off on the air. This is seemingly a good thing: Results for less effort. But I find that there comes a point at which I need to back off so much that I am not playing naturally or effectively (for me). |
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If I were to guess: in this context it may mean a horn that responds relatively better to delicate playing as opposed to playing more forcefully. I.e. the relative results of playing a horn gently are greater than the relative effects of overblowing. A player who gets their results by working hard may get more mileage put of other horns.
If that makes sense?
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I have several C trumpets (I don't have a problem) and a NY Bach that all sound fantastic, are exactly what I would need in (various) circumstances, and I would not describe any of them as particularly "efficient" the way that a Yamaha Shew would be.
I'd agree with with the above that it probably means backing off and playing a little more delicately.
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Well, I'm not an aggressive player. More Chet Baker than Steve Dillard.
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| I've heard it said that players who play with efficiancy are able to play more softly etc. I've never been able to find out what it means exactly. |
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| chet_fan wrote: | | I've heard it said that players who play with efficiancy are able to play more softly etc. I've never been able to find out what it means exactly. |
There are players who are able to fill a room with a resonant sound while playing at just a whisper. The play in a way where the overtones in the sound make it seem much louder/stronger than it actually is. It requires very refined (i.e. efficient?) playing to be able to do so.
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I bought the Shew II version. We'll see how it goes. Thank you everyone for your help.
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| stuartissimo wrote: | | chet_fan wrote: | | I've heard it said that players who play with efficiancy are able to play more softly etc. I've never been able to find out what it means exactly. |
There are players who are able to fill a room with a resonant sound while playing at just a whisper. The play in a way where the overtones in the sound make it seem much louder/stronger than it actually is. It requires very refined (i.e. efficient?) playing to be able to do so. |
I would love to be able to do that. Maybe one day. |
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